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Nevermore

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The company's control over Nexperia remains temporarily restricted. Wingtech Technology is projected to incur losses of 9 billion to 13.5 billion yuan in 2025.
I had almost forgotten about this matter. The Netherlands did not actually relinquish control over Nexperia last year; it was merely a political gesture of easing restrictions. This game is far from over.
 

MortyandRick

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the court case is still ongoing as far as i know, with petty arguments on the dutch side.
Yeah this with Panama, China needs to take the gloves off and just hit the Dutch hard and hit Panama with economic attacks

need to show that they can't just take assets away without consequences

Sanctions them or something. Do something to make it hurt.

The writing is on the wall. They should have thought of this a while ago and prepared for this eventuality then hit back as soon as it doesn't go their way
 

vincent

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I like to check in on Hugh White from time to time, as one of the more prescient and insightful Australian observers of the developing contest between the United States and China and the choices that portends for us. Still, I certainly did not expect to come across a four hour book club discussion:


Entertainment for the TikTok generation this is not. Hugh really is a wonderful communicator. He has the patient and cautious air one associates with academic types, but without the verbose and convoluted language that often comes along for the ride. Above all, the impression is of a learned conversation, rather than an ideologue pushing a particular narrative. I particularly appreciated his comments towards the end of their discussion on Donald Kagan's The Outbreak of the Peloponnesian War on maintaining a sense of human moral agency in the face of narratives that X is inevitable or that Y is the only path available (~5 minutes from
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Everybody is trying to strengthen their position as a great power, but none want to go to war to do it. They all hope that they'll strengthen their position by the other side backing down.

Now, just to foreshadow, that's what both America and China think about Taiwan.

China wants to assert its place as a great power in Asia, in the face of America's power, by threatening to go to war with Taiwan and making the Americans back down, therefore proving the Americans are paper tigers.

America wants to preserve its position in the Western Pacific by threatening to go to war with China if China goes to war over Taiwan, and they hope the Chinese will back down.

Neither side wants a war, but both hope to bolster their status or achieve the status they seek by making the other back down.

As a Westerner, Hugh White doesn't get how important the Taiwan Island is to the Chinese populace. The CPC can only suppress the public sentiment for so long. China will absolutely go to war over Taiwan.
 
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Nevermore

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Yeah this with Panama, China needs to take the gloves off and just hit the Dutch hard and hit Panama with economic attacks

need to show that they can't just take assets away without consequences

Sanctions them or something. Do something to make it hurt.

The writing is on the wall. They should have thought of this a while ago and prepared for this eventuality then hit back as soon as it doesn't go their way
China holds no leverage over Panama, which is entirely under U.S. control.
 

Chevalier

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We can tell based on the collapsing U.S. dollar (increasing treasury yields) that the sino russian strategy of chipping away at the U.S. dollar and the bedrock of U.S. power is working, The aim of this goal is to ensure that military spending by the U.S. becomes so expensive and untenable that they cannot maintain their current military, resulting in a weaker military. You would see the equivalent of the pullback of Romans from Romano Britain.

The US elites have chosen naked force, piracy and war. Now, with Iran the intention is to bog the Anglo Americans down in a new Vietnam that also compelled the U.S. to leave the gold standard and steal from other nations such that deGaulle sent a French warship to pick up its gold from U.S. vaults.

As for the other small cowardly nations like Dutch and Panama, theft of Chinese assets requires a strong response and it’s not simply extradition of all politicians and judges involved. Australia itself now wants to steal the port of Darwin from their contracted obligations to China.

besides the deletion of Epstein files from the DOJ website,
in the world of the Atlanticist elites, men are expected to be homosexual within marriage.
 

AndrewS

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You are using PPP right? Even by that metric, it is 41 trillion for China and 30 trillion for US, so around 1.35.

Nominal GDP however is the agreed upon usual metric for cross-comparison of country GDPs. Why? Because that is what is tradeable and exchangeable. Not to mention, nominal GDP has a bigger bearing on tradeable sector, tradeable goods, investment and cash flows, currency etc.

PPP GDP is a purely hypothetical figure, which is not even correctly calculated. I actually believe China's PPP GDP is significantly higher than calculated.



For the economy, the right metric for comparison is nominal GDP. If China let's the RMB rise, I would be the biggest fan, and would be singing praises. Obviously, the next step would be to equal US in per capita, but overtaking US nominal GDP would be praiseworthy feat in and of itself.

PPP is not a purely hypothetical figure

It is an actual attempt to compare prices of actual goods and services in different countries.

And given that China domestically produces and consumes a lot more goods and services than the US, shouldn't the Chinese RMB and Chinese prices be the reference point?
 

MortyandRick

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China holds no leverage over Panama, which is entirely under U.S. control.
But at least do something
Better than doing nothing

Gotta at least show some consequences otherwise this will just continue

What's next, if Thailand elects a pro west Gov't, would they also dare to discriminate against Chinese companies or assets ? This is an extreme example but other countries may feel that going against the US will have consequences but going against China has none.

FFS China still received Starmer even though the UK made wing tech divest from New Port and there are other examples

China needs to use lawfare as well. Look at Dutch assets in China to put pressure on them. I do not believe the Dutch court will be impartial in the nexperia case, let alone favorable.
 
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