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manqiangrexue

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But @manqiangrexue doesn't believe in lists or rankings from "enemies". Surely, a think tank funded by US defence firms with consistent negative reporting on China based in Australia which is part of Quad qualifies.
The US is the biggest blowhard bullshitter in the world trying to look tough. So when it has to admit things aren't going well, that's something to really take note of. Do you believe in their lists? Did you believe in their COVID readiness ranking? What lists did you choose to believe or not believe?
So you selectively believe that which suits your preconceived notions from "enemy" countries?
You don't selectively believe? You just believe everything from a country or nothing from it? What about when different sources from the same country say opposite things? Your head explodes? Don't be stupid here trying to challenge common sense.
 

jli88

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The US is the biggest blowhard bullshitter in the world trying to look tough. So when it has to admit things aren't going well, that's something to really take note of. Do you believe in their lists? Did you believe in their COVID readiness ranking? What lists did you choose to believe or not believe?

You don't selectively believe? You just believe everything from a country or nothing from it? What about when different sources from the same country say opposite things? Your head explodes? Don't be stupid here trying to challenge common sense.

The reason why ASPI is hyping up Chinese capabilities is pretty straightforward - it wants the West to put more money in research and double down. This is a standard practice extensively employed by the US defense base to get more money from Congress.

A person who selectively believes stuff that aligns with his preconceived notion is a fool of the highest order.
 

Lethe

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But @manqiangrexue doesn't believe in lists or rankings from "enemies". Surely, a think tank funded by US defence firms with consistent negative reporting on China based in Australia which is part of Quad qualifies.

I can't speak for @manqiangrexue or in relation to whatever broader conversation you folks may or may not be having, but I'm inclined to take useful material where I find it. The real world is never as neatly ordered as ideologues would like it to be. There are always complexities that frustrate our desire for simple, clear, and sweeping judgements.

ASPI's Critical Technology Tracker program is obviously flattering to Chinese audiences in its basic conclusion, i.e. that China is increasingly assuming a leading role in global research across many different fields as a consequence of generations of wise investment by the CCP. Obviously ASPI's high-level approach (counting research papers, authors and citations) has its limitations compared to conducting a deep dive into a given specialist area and the state of play in deployed technologies, near-term prospects and fundamental research, but it can be useful in the same way that other crude measures like GDP, "life expectancy", etc. are useful -- and misused as those measures can be misused.

Probably the most challenging notion to emerge from ASPI's project is that India is not entirely irrelevant to global research activity.
 
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jli88

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I can't speak for @manqiangrexue or in relation to whatever broader conversation you folks may or may not be having, but I'm inclined to take useful material where I find it. The real world is never as neatly ordered as ideologues would like it to be.

ASPI's Critical Technology Tracker program is obviously flattering to Chinese audiences in its basic conclusion, i.e. that China is increasingly assuming a leading role in global research across many different fields as a consequence of generations of investment by the CCP. It's also, so far as I can tell, unique in attempting to assess and composite these diverse fields in a public-facing project. Obviously that high-level approach has its limitations compared to e.g. a deep dive into a particular specialist area and the state of play in deployed technologies, near-term prospects and fundamental research, but it can be useful in the same way that other crude measures like GDP, "life expectancy", etc. are useful -- and misused as those measures can be misused.

Probably the most challenging notion to emerge from ASPI's project is that India is not entirely irrelevant to global research trends.

He doesn't believe in Nature Index, he should also not believe in ASPI tech tracker. Nature Index, and journals like Nature, Science, Cell are still led by people who try hard to be above national bias. While ASPI is built for national bias. The only reason it is hyping Chinese progress is to get more funding. Standard tactic.

Example, while ASPI says China has a strong lead in Generative AI, that is far from true. Gemini, Claude, GPT are still ahead of Chinese models. To top that Chinese themselves agree this, where Chinese leaders have been worrying about the US edge, and whether that can grow bigger.
 

Lethe

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Example, while ASPI says China has a strong lead in Generative AI, that is far from true. Gemini, Claude, GPT are still ahead of Chinese models. To top that Chinese themselves agree this, where Chinese leaders have been worrying about the US edge, and whether that can grow bigger.

ASPI's CTT is looking at research activity in the form of publications, not the state of deployed technologies. It's a leading indicator on the scale of years to decades. This misunderstanding comes up every time.
 

jli88

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ASPI's CTT is looking at research activity in the form of publications, not the state of deployed technologies. It's a leading indicator on the scale of years to decades. This misunderstanding comes up every time.

Firstly, @manqiangrexue wrote "China leading in 90% technologies". He's using ASPI tracker which measure certain things, to draw inference on state of play in various tech.

Secondly, ASPI's tracker for example in Generative AI makes no sense because most research in Generative AI happens within large firms, few of which open source anything. Other than that, the top papers in NeurIPS etc. (not the total papers) are still coming from the US. It requires deep understanding of the field to understand who is ahead on what. Counting total publications in list of journals is one very heavily skewed metric, which @manqiangrexue believes when it shows China leading but discards when it shows China not leading.
 

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ze French are spicy.
Also, crazy how some Russians are still pro trump after trump tried to assassinate Putin. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.
France already gave award to Krill Dimitriev because he worked with Saudis. when will France free itself from Royals?. Since Krill worked with Saudis, his tweets reflects certain point of view of Kingdom.
In one of the Saudi conferences Kiev born Krill Dimitriev mentioned he is for Peace efforts but Russians are not particularly supportive. He was referring people with Soft Power but they do alot of things for Putin like they identify talent and character before Putin takes formal action.
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manqiangrexue

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The reason why ASPI is hyping up Chinese capabilities is pretty straightforward - it wants the West to put more money in research and double down. This is a standard practice extensively employed by the US defense base to get more money from Congress.
The reason you reject it is pretty straight forward and it's that you spend your time playing with sheets and data to find any way possible to spin things to look like the US is moving faster than China instead of the other way around, which is known throughout the entire world or America wouldn't be doing brain-fart things like threatening to invade Greenland.
A person who selectively believes stuff that aligns with his preconceived notion is a fool of the highest order.
A person who doesn't even understand after being explained to that everything is selective is the fool who owns that order.
He doesn't believe in Nature Index, he should also not believe in ASPI tech tracker. Nature Index, and journals like Nature, Science, Cell are still led by people who try hard to be above national bias. While ASPI is built for national bias. The only reason it is hyping Chinese progress is to get more funding. Standard tactic.
You believe in Nature index? Cus the source I sent was published in Nature. What does it mean that I don't believe in Nature Index? I understand what it is, but your interpretation of it is what I, and other members who also understand scientific publications, do not believe in.
Example, while ASPI says China has a strong lead in Generative AI, that is far from true. Gemini, Claude, GPT are still ahead of Chinese models. To top that Chinese themselves agree this, where Chinese leaders have been worrying about the US edge, and whether that can grow bigger.
Firstly, I don't know if your assessment of generative AI is true, since you've proven that you'll write without understanding economics or how scientific publications work. Secondly, China is known to be very humble and the US, quite the opposite.
Firstly, @manqiangrexue wrote "China leading in 90% technologies". He's using ASPI tracker which measure certain things, to draw inference on state of play in various tech.
Which is better than your own "analysis" ignoring real world application such as industrial patents and other journals than a few top American ones.
Secondly, ASPI's tracker for example in Generative AI makes no sense because most research in Generative AI happens within large firms, few of which open source anything.
So basically, they couldn't know since it's all secret, right? And already, this is different from what you said above about the US leading. I knew you always talk without understanding what you're saying.
Other than that, the top papers in NeurIPS etc. (not the total papers) are still coming from the US.
Oh this shit again LOL. Keep excluding papers until you get a sample where the US looks on top. Old dog old tricks.
It requires deep understanding of the field to understand who is ahead on what. Counting total publications in list of journals is one very heavily skewed metric,
Not nearly as skewed as counting only select publications/journals.
which @manqiangrexue believes when it shows China leading but discards when it shows China not leading.
I don't even think you know what selective means because I believe in the big picture of all publications and patents included, and you selectively pick out journals and publications to include and exclude until you can make it look like the US is leading, and you post that. Then you say I'm the one being selective? LOL I'm a lot less selective than you, my "fool of the highest order" hypocrit.
 
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Temstar

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ze French are spicy.

Also, crazy how some Russians are still pro trump after trump tried to assassinate Putin. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.
just curiously, would Machado have to gift the million dollars to trump along with her Nobel prize?
The cope following the trade deal with Canada is delicious ngl

It's straight up Brezhnev
 
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