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Sun Yat sen's legacy was hotly debated by the KMT throughout the period after his death. The entire left wing of the KMT including his wife Song Qingling and Wang Jingwei (before losing hope in an independent China) argued his political work was principally influenced by progressivism and socialism, and the interpretation of his political work as Confucian values was primarily advanced by the right wing of the KMT like Dai Jitao backed by people like Chiang Kai Shek and Hu Hanmin. Whatever his great-grandson who never knew him says can be taken with a huge grain of salt, especially because nobody advanced this Christian interpretation during his time. In fact throughout the 1920s, KMT leaders including the Christian members advanced anti-Christian rhetoric of missionaries as imperialists, which indirectly encouraged protests and riots to loot and burn many Christian missions. The party also banned foreign missionaries from manging schools etc. Michael G. Murdock (2010). Disarming the Allies of Imperialism: The State, Agitation, and Manipulation during China's Nationalist Revolution, 1922–1929. Cornell University Press. pp. 11–12; Martin Wilbur (1984). The Nationalist Revolution in China, 1923-1928. Cambridge University Press. pp. 70–72; Kaiyi Li (2021). Transnational Education between The League of Nations and China: The Interwar Period. Springer Nature. pp. 17–18

As for Chiang himself, his personal diaries described his understanding of Christianity as simply being a reinforcement of Confucianism, which is why he was able to convert so easily just to marry Song Meiling Taylor, Jay (2009). The Generalissimo: Chiang Kai-shek and the struggle for modern China. Harvard University Press. p. 91. If he had believed the Atlanticist propaganda about Confucianism being an archaic ideology that is inferior to Western culture, he would not be Christian in the first place.

Also the CPC doesn't agree with your assessment of Sun Yat sen:

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Jiang diaries should be taken with a grain of salt because he pretty blamed everyone but himself for his failures despite him not doing anything about Japanese invasion until his OWN generals had to work with the CCP to force him. Asides from sacrificing his best soldiers for PR reasons when the same Western Allies he depended on was secretly supporting Japan until Pearl Harbour. After the Shanghai-Nanjing debacle he pretty did not commit his own forces but rather preserved them leaving the CCP and Warlords to do all the fighting. In terms of corruption within the KMT his wife's family (Mainly his father in-law) was a big part of that corruption but he didn't do shit. The CCP recognize him because he helped established the First United Front in which the CCP became a faction within the KMT until Jiang ruined everything. Christians during the Second Sino Japanese war collaberated with Japan while the Buddhists fought back.
 
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Eventine

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@taxiya

I think you can Europe as an counter-factual example.

Suppose after 2000 years of mixing, everyone in Europe now identifies as "Roman" or "European".

There is now a single national language, such as Latin or English.
You still identify with your province eg. France or Germany.
And you have local language dialects such as French or German.

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The existing peoples have largely remained in place, but you can see the assimilation.
Europe is a great example, because it isn't actually counter factual. Yes, Europe didn't unify the way China did, but that doesn't mean Europeans don't share an identity.

The reality is, they are far closer to each other (and to their colonies) than they are to any other group. Hence the existence of concepts like "white," "European," "Western," etc. When push comes to shove, Europe will tend to unify behind a common banner, and their assimilation processes work best with - and historically assumed - other Europeans. This is why the US called its feud with Russia a "family feud" but its feud with China a "conflict with an entirely [alien] civilization." It's also why European and American leaders are far more okay with being "border less" with other Europeans, than being "border less" with Indians, Africans, Mexicans, etc.

The nature of Western political correctness is that, in polite company, they don't say what they really think. But we all know what they really think. Once you remove the blinding light of liberal ideology, people are indeed quite similar in their common tribalism. Language, race, culture - these are the binding principles of identity. Even within boundaries of entities (like historical empires) that failed to respect these principles, the identities persisted, and in moments of political weakness, they'd rise to the surface in explosions of violence, civil strife, and political disintegration. We've seen it all before.
 
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Europe is a great example, because it isn't actually counter factual. Yes, Europe didn't unify the way China did, but that doesn't mean Europeans don't share an identity.

The reality is, they are far closer to each other (and to their colonies) than they are to any other group. Hence the existence of concepts like "white," "European," "Western," etc. When push comes to shove, Europe will tend to unify behind a common banner, and their assimilation processes work best with - and historically assumed - other Europeans. This is why the US called its feud with Russia a "family feud" but its feud with China a "conflict with an entirely [alien] civilization." It's also why European and American leaders are far more okay with being "border less" with other Europeans, than being "border less" with Indians, Africans, Mexicans, etc.

The nature of Western political correctness is that, in polite company, they don't say what they really think. But we all know what they really think. Once you remove the blinding light of liberal ideology, people are indeed quite similar in their tribalism.
You can easily tell their intentions by how triggered many white peoples get when foreigners speak their own language in front of them. To you and me, it’s just ppl talking, but to these people they’re conspiring and talking smack, which is indicative of how quickly their dialogue turns into 3rd reich attitudes on race when they feel comfortable around their coethnics. Look at the current young republican travesty going on right now as an example.


considering hegseth mandated the Washington and pentagon press to sign loyalty oaths, I can’t help but feel as though the USG is going to try for world war to reset the board.
 

GulfLander

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Even top generals are looking to AI chatbots for answers
The top US Army commander in South Korea shared that he is experimenting with generative AI chatbots to sharpen his decision-making, not in the field, but in command and daily work.

He said "Chat and I" have become "really close lately."

"I'm asking to build, trying to build models to help all of us," said Maj. Gen. William 'Hank' Taylor, commanding general of the 8th Army, told reporters during a media roundtable at the annual Association of the United States Army conference in Washington, DC, on Monday.
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