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tamsen_ikard

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Interesting to see Xi Jinping himself using Dragon as the Metaphor for China. This is usually only done in the western media and China usually tries to portray itself as the Panda, a humble and peaceful Animal rather than a dragon which has a aggressive and powerful image in the west.

Also, India does not like to be portayed as an Elephant, which is seen as slow, too heavy and not so aggressive. Subtle language attack?
 

Thecore

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Interesting to see Xi Jinping himself using Dragon as the Metaphor for China. This is usually only done in the western media and China usually tries to portray itself as the Panda, a humble and peaceful Animal rather than a dragon which has a aggressive and powerful image in the west.

Also, India does not like to be portayed as an Elephant, which is seen as slow, too heavy and not so aggressive. Subtle language attack?
Xi likes to use the dragon symbolism to associate with China. When Trump visited last time, Xi told him something to the effect that Chinese people are the descendants of the dragon in folklore. As to India's association with the elephant, from what I understand, their other national animal they like to associate with is the tiger. However, don't dozens of Indians get killed by tigers each year, to the point they have to wear those masks on the back their heads when out near the jungle areas? Not sure if it's a good idea to associate your country with an animal that kills so many of your country-men each year. Then again, I'm pretty sure a bunch of Indians get stomped to death by elephants each year also, so...
 

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India committed to improving ties with China, Modi tells Xi​

  • Modi says atmosphere of 'peace and stability' created on disputed Himalayan border
TIANJIN, China, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said New Delhi was committed to improving ties with Beijing in a key meeting with China's President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of a regional security forum on Sunday.

Modi is in China for the first time in seven years to attend a two-day meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, along with Russian President Vladimir Putin and other leaders from Central, South and Southeast Asia and the Middle East in a show of Global South solidarity.

"We are committed to progressing our relations based on mutual respect, trust and sensitivities," Modi told Xi during the meeting, according to a video clip posted on the Indian leader's official X account.

The bilateral meeting took place five days after Washington imposed punishing 50% tariffs on Indian goods due to New Delhi's purchases of Russian oil. Analysts say Xi and Modi are looking to present a united front against Western pressure.

Modi said an atmosphere of "peace and stability" has been created on their disputed Himalayan border, the site of a prolonged military standoff after deadly troop clashes in 2020, which froze most areas of cooperation between the nuclear-armed strategic rivals.

He added that an agreement had been reached between both nations regarding border management, without giving details.

Both leaders had a breakthrough meeting in Russia last year after reaching a border patrol agreement, setting off a tentative thaw in ties that has accelerated in recent weeks as New Delhi seeks to hedge against renewed tariff threats from Washington.

Direct flights between both nations, which have been suspended since 2020, are "being resumed", Modi added, without providing a timeframe.

China had agreed to lift export curbs on rare earths, fertilisers and tunnel boring machines this month during a key visit to India by China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi.

China opposes Washington's steep tariffs on India and will "firmly stand with India," Chinese Ambassador to India Xu Feihong said this month.

For decades, Washington painstakingly cultivated ties with New Delhi in the hope that it would act as a regional counterweight to Beijing.

In recent months, China has allowed Indian pilgrims to visit Buddhist sites in Tibet, and both countries have lifted reciprocal tourist visa restrictions.

"Both India and China are engaged in what is likely to be a lengthy and fraught process of defining a new equilibrium in the relationship," said Manoj Kewalramani, a Sino-Indian relations expert at the Takshashila Institution think tank in Bengaluru.
 

Nevermore

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Interesting to see Xi Jinping himself using Dragon as the Metaphor for China. This is usually only done in the western media and China usually tries to portray itself as the Panda, a humble and peaceful Animal rather than a dragon which has a aggressive and powerful image in the west.

Also, India does not like to be portayed as an Elephant, which is seen as slow, too heavy and not so aggressive. Subtle language attack?
The dragon(龙) has multiple meanings in Chinese:

Western dragon (resembling a lion or horse, featuring sharp fangs, dorsal spines, fire-breathing capabilities, and massive wings. Often associated with evil in religious and literary works)

The Chinese Dragon (with antlers, a camel's head, rabbit eyes, a serpent's body, scales covering its entire form, talons like an eagle's, and ears like a cow's. In Chinese mythology, it primarily safeguards regions with favorable weather and abundant harvests, embodying noble virtues such as courageous endeavor and auspicious blessings).

Dinosaurs (a common name for ancient reptiles)



The dragon referred to by Xi Jinping is clearly the Chinese dragon from ancient Chinese mythology.
 

plawolf

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It looks like the US is now in the End Game stage where it is preparing to play its final HailMary.

There will be no longer any American delusions about being able to come to China’s backyard to start a fight with China, as the evidence is so overwhelming that even their most deluded leaders could no longer suspend reality enough to think they will have any chance of winning that fight. Instead the strategy is to leverage America’s existing vast network of global military bases and forward deployed forces to basically knock out Chinese allies and key resource suppliers one by one and basically go full mask-off military expansionist new colonial Empire mode by essentially giving up on trade and diplomacy altogether and go for full colonial pillaging, since they are loosing so comprehensively playing by the rules.

This strategy will cause China some losses as it looses friends and investment abroad, as well as loose access to the natural resources in American conquered lands. There might also be a perverse diplomatic swing as minnow powers seek to actively kick out Chinese influence to avoid being annexed by America. At least in the short term.

However, so long as China keeps its cool and don’t try to directly fight America in a region where America retains the military advantage, China can still easily win by sanctioning America and locking countries into its own defensive alliance and push out to secure more resources and markets. Basically it will be China securing the Eurasia world island while America might be able to cling to the Americas and some outlying outposts.
 

Thecore

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Some takeaways:
1. Cumulatively up to now, Japan has invested $40B into India. They plan to do approx 150% of this in the next 10 years alone? Ok...
2. Obvious predictions of friction in the future from Indian demands of tech/ip/ownership transfers and repayment issues on loans and whatnot. If Japan wants to jump feet first into the graveyard of foreign enterprise, be my guest.
3. According to the article, the plan is to build 7,000km of HSR by 2047 or 22 years from now. Over the last quarter century, China has built approx 47,000km(as of YE 2024). Don't the Indians want to be more ambitious than that? Seems like the Japanese are making some very conservative promises on what they plan to deliver.
 

Thecore

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It looks like the US is now in the End Game stage where it is preparing to play its final HailMary.

There will be no longer any American delusions about being able to come to China’s backyard to start a fight with China, as the evidence is so overwhelming that even their most deluded leaders could no longer suspend reality enough to think they will have any chance of winning that fight. Instead the strategy is to leverage America’s existing vast network of global military bases and forward deployed forces to basically knock out Chinese allies and key resource suppliers one by one and basically go full mask-off military expansionist new colonial Empire mode by essentially giving up on trade and diplomacy altogether and go for full colonial pillaging, since they are loosing so comprehensively playing by the rules.

This strategy will cause China some losses as it looses friends and investment abroad, as well as loose access to the natural resources in American conquered lands. There might also be a perverse diplomatic swing as minnow powers seek to actively kick out Chinese influence to avoid being annexed by America. At least in the short term.

However, so long as China keeps its cool and don’t try to directly fight America in a region where America retains the military advantage, China can still easily win by sanctioning America and locking countries into its own defensive alliance and push out to secure more resources and markets. Basically it will be China securing the Eurasia world island while America might be able to cling to the Americas and some outlying outposts.
At the very least, China should make noise to convene a UN security council meeting ASAP about this and demand the US explain itself. Make them fumble over their own words or spew out easily disproved lies to hurt their credibility more. Hell, if anything, what they say can be thrown back at them in any future possible Taiwan contingency to make them look even more like hypocritical bastards like they do now with Gaza.
 

Africablack

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It looks like the US is now in the End Game stage where it is preparing to play its final HailMary.

There will be no longer any American delusions about being able to come to China’s backyard to start a fight with China, as the evidence is so overwhelming that even their most deluded leaders could no longer suspend reality enough to think they will have any chance of winning that fight. Instead the strategy is to leverage America’s existing vast network of global military bases and forward deployed forces to basically knock out Chinese allies and key resource suppliers one by one and basically go full mask-off military expansionist new colonial Empire mode by essentially giving up on trade and diplomacy altogether and go for full colonial pillaging, since they are loosing so comprehensively playing by the rules.

This strategy will cause China some losses as it looses friends and investment abroad, as well as loose access to the natural resources in American conquered lands. There might also be a perverse diplomatic swing as minnow powers seek to actively kick out Chinese influence to avoid being annexed by America. At least in the short term.

However, so long as China keeps its cool and don’t try to directly fight America in a region where America retains the military advantage, China can still easily win by sanctioning America and locking countries into its own defensive alliance and push out to secure more resources and markets. Basically it will be China securing the Eurasia world island while America might be able to cling to the Americas and some outlying outposts.
You're right about the US is in end stage of empire, it's been obvious for some time. The US might try to go full pillage but that game will not work, folks will not accept imperialism anymore. It couldn't even hold together Iraq and Afghanistan, it won't be able to hold a vast empire through force.
 
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