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That isn't remotly true because the German army had a very bad reputation for raping and pillaging Chinese people and don't forget the Kaiser's huns speech encourging his soldiers to slaughter Chinese people. The Germans were no different then the Japanese. They planed on Qingdao to be completly German and void of any Chinese culture similar to what the brits and Japs did.
Your statement fails to counter my argument at all. The Japanese and Russians pillaged and raped on far greater scale (multiple orders of magnitude), and the British and French also did so on a scale greater by at least an order of magnitude. The other powers also burnt far more villages, massacred far more Chinese, caused far greater property damage, took (and attempted to take) far more Chinese territory, engaged in far greater economic exploitation, and demanded far more concessions than the Germans. And neither the French, British, nor Japanese sought any kind of symbiotic economic relationship with China after the fall of the Qing. Only the Germans, and to a lesser extent the Soviets did so. The most iconic image of Chinese resistance during WW2 is still that of 800 KMT soldiers fighting of a Japanese division in Shanghai while wearing German helmets and using German machine guns, rifles, pistols, and grenades.
 

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Your statement fails to counter my argument at all. The Japanese and Russians pillaged and raped on far greater scale, and the British and French also did so on a scale at least greater by an order of magnitude. The other powers also burnt far more villages, massacred far more Chinese, caused far greater property damage, took (and attempted to take) far more Chinese territory, engaged in far greater economic exploitation, and demanded far more concessions than the Germans. And neither the French, British, nor Japanese sought any kind of symbiotic economic relationship with China after the fall of the Qing. Only the Germans, and to a lesser extent the Soviets did so. The most iconic image of Chinese resistance during WW2 is still that of 800 KMT soldiers fighting of a Japanese division in Shanghai while wearing German helmets and using German machine guns, rifles, pistols, and grenades.
In terms of the scale yeah, you're right. However I did counter on them being more humane because they weren't at all. But still, the Germans threw us under the bus the moment the Japanese invasion starting picking up.
 

tokenanalyst

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Good luck with the Trump-Putin meeting.

New York Times, nuff said.
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Is the "Look there, no here" MSM strategy to keep stocks up.
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I have this weird sense for a long time ago that when you hear a lot of doom talking crap about China in Western Media is like a signal that something bad is going to happen in the West.
 

vincent

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And this is the province of Confucious and other Chinese cultural developments as well as Shandong people being nationalists. Our ancestors are rolling in their graves. I looked into the subject matter on Xiaohongshu but it seemed to be mixed with people saying the tour guildes want to thank germany but a ton of people were criticizing this colonial worship.
A province that forced Chinese female students to sleep with foreign students.
 

FriedButter

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Press conference was void of details. Putin mention some sort of agreements and Trump said he would talk with NATO and the Europeans. 95% of the press conference was Putin giving another history lecture with Trump giving like 4 sentences before ending.

Putin added: “I would like to hope that the agreement that we’ve reached together will help us bring closer that goal and will pave the path towards peace in Ukraine.”
 

_killuminati_

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Anti-Submarine Warfare. Very productive use of my taxpayer money because I wanna see a submarine naval battle in the Gulf of AmericaView attachment 158127
Imagine they filled these with explosives instead of cocaine, especially since most are designed to be one-way rides anyways.

While true that Germany also participated in imperialistic exploitation of China, they did so on a smaller scale and arguably in a less inhumane and barbaric manner than each of the other primary European imperial powers (plus Japan). The British, Russians, Japanese, and even the French inflicted far more harm on the Chinese than the Germans. Also, if it wasn't for Sino-German cooperation following WW1, the first few years of the Second Sino-Japanese war would likely have gone far worse for China.
Germans did it on a smaller scale because they sucked at colonization, were relatively recently unified, and had a much smaller global realm than other colonialists. But their ideology was, essentially, the same (agreed upon by Euro colonialists at the Berlin Conference). Where Germans were successful in establishing colonies (Africa), it was the same story of genocide, mass exploitation and abuse, etc. Where colonialists had a weak hand, they sought symbiosis with the locals.

Only the Germans, and to a lesser extent the Soviets did so. The most iconic image of Chinese resistance during WW2 is still that of 800 KMT soldiers fighting of a Japanese division in Shanghai while wearing German helmets and using German machine guns, rifles, pistols, and grenades.
It was just a game for colonial powers, one colonizer replacing another. Rest of the world had to endure the slaughter and exploitation. India decorates and honors S. Chandra Bose for resisting against the British occupation; the only problem is - he was fighting for Japan as it was trying to expand into British India. Umrao Singh is decorated for resisting the Japanese invasion, and he fought for the British. Both sides made it "iconic" and neither ever gave a shit about the locals.
 
It was just a game for colonial powers, one colonizer replacing another. Rest of the world had to endure the slaughter and exploitation. India decorates and honors S. Chandra Bose for resisting against the British occupation; the only problem is - he was fighting for Japan as it was trying to expand into British India. Umrao Singh is decorated for resisting the Japanese invasion, and he fought for the British. Both sides made it "iconic" and neither ever gave a shit about the locals.
How is this the same? Sino-German cooperation post WW1 was an economic partnership between two sovereign nations. Indians fighting in the INA were supporting a new colonizer in place of the original colonizer.
 

vincent

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Can you elaborate?
ShanDong University set up a buddy program for foreign students, with the Chinese buddies being female only. The Chinese students complained they were pressured (by the foreigners and the school administration) into having sex with the foreign students because the school administration wanted to make foreign students ”feel at home”.

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