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GulfLander

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500% isn’t entirely accurate. It is 500% for the first 90 days. Then it automatically increase by no less then another 500% every 90 days. By the end of the first year, it could be +2000% tariffs. They claim the bill has ~80 senators in support. An overwhelming majority that overrides any presidential veto if it is true.
Wow. Thats alot.
 

neutralobserver

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Clowns in the UK: We are going TO DO INCREASING cyberattacks against China and Russia.

UK after being completely wrecked by cyberattacks:

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Muh SeeSeePee Le Bad.

I love how these stooge clowns just announced without shame so you can point their hypocrisy later.
Will they start complaining when China retaliates? This is one reason I have a strange respect for Trump, he exposed the hypocrisy of the U.S. He’s an equal-opportunity bully. Europeans are cheering on U.S. actions that destabilize other countries but they get upset when the same treatment is directed at them.
 

iewgnem

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The Americans don't want a decentralized world because they'll be one of many great powers in it and they won't get to boss others like they used to. However some realists are seeing the writing on the wall and they realize unipolarism is just not sustainable, even Trump and his delusions is starting to see this. So what some of them want is to split the world in two and let both China and the US have their spheres of influence, this allows them to consolidate power, forge stronger military and economic alliances and then go at China at a later time. In short, they want to run the old Cold War playbook because they figured since we won that one we can win another one fighting the same way. They'll present this enticing offer to China because they think the Asian thinks like the European who is constantly looking for subjects to dominate.

I'm not Chinese and I'm not a member of the CPC but from what I can see I don't believe the Chinese leadership wants a bipolar world, it doesn't serve China's long term interests. I believe they want to decentralize the world and dilute the US and the west's power within it. You can still be influential but the days of one country or a small group of countries that will sit down and decide what others should do, what forms of government to practice, what economic model to adopt, etc should come to an end. The world should be multilateral, where sovereign countries deal with each by other conducting mutually beneficial deals and nations can be members of different groups with overlapping interests. I think the Chinese leadership has learned lessons from the Cold War and is adamant not the repeat the same mistakes the Soviet Union made.
The number of poles a world has isn't something China can decide, all China can do is be a pole, it's entirely up to others to match China. If only one country can, it'll be a bipolar world, if multiple can, it'll be multipolar, but if nobody can, it'll just be a unipolar world under China.

As it happens China do have both the intent and ability to dominate every industry and every technology, its not necessarily phrased that way, its phrased as "we must break foreign monopolies" and "we can't be behind to foreigners", which at end of the day just implies China has to be #1 in everything. It also happens only one other country has that intent, which is the US, while neither US nor anyone else actually has that ability. This invariably means it's just going to be practically a unipolar world, even if its not China's explicit goal, within which America pretend it's not and China lets them,

And you're also right that China don't want a bipolar world, because as much as people make a big deal out of American exceptionalism, most have no idea the true level of exceptionalism that a country that has called itself Middle Kingdom for 2000 years implicitly believes in. At end of the day China do not consider anyone else as equals, never has, and never will. China does not share the European desire to bring others down or enslave others, but China also has no desire to hold back and reserve any power for others.
 

iewgnem

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Will they start complaining when China retaliates? This is one reason I have a strange respect for Trump, he exposed the hypocrisy of the U.S. He’s an equal-opportunity bully. Europeans are cheering on U.S. actions that destabilize other countries but they get upset when the same treatment is directed at them.
The best part is China can just attack even if UK doesn't, who's going to know and if caught everyone will see it as retaliation.
The number one rule in espionage is there is no espionage.
 

iewgnem

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The fact that top Chinese leaders children still try to study and live in the west is a terrible example for China. It shows the western worshipping nature of the Chinese even among the top leadership. China cannot become a true self-respecting nation unless they stop western and white worship
1. Chinese leaders children do not study or live in the west, for obvious safety reasons.
2. One does not call a stupid person ignorant because that person likes to learn, if safety can be ensured its arguable every leader should spend time studying overseas, especially in the enemy country.
3. America's belief that learning is weakness / ignorance is strength is one of the main causes for their current sorry state.
 

Africablack

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The number of poles a world has isn't something China can decide, all China can do is be a pole, it's entirely up to others to match China. If only one country can, it'll be a bipolar world, if multiple can, it'll be multipolar, but if nobody can, it'll just be a unipolar world under China.

As it happens China do have both the intent and ability to dominate every industry and every technology, its not necessarily phrased that way, its phrased as "we must break foreign monopolies" and "we can't be behind to foreigners", which at end of the day just implies China has to be #1 in everything. It also happens only one other country has that intent, which is the US, while neither US nor anyone else actually has that ability. This invariably means it's just going to be practically a unipolar world, even if its not China's explicit goal, within which America pretend it's not and China lets them,

And you're also right that China don't want a bipolar world, because as much as people make a big deal out of American exceptionalism, most have no idea the true level of exceptionalism that a country that has called itself Middle Kingdom for 2000 years implicitly believes in. At end of the day China do not consider anyone else as equals, never has, and never will. China does not share the European desire to bring others down or enslave others, but China also has no desire to hold back and reserve any power for others.
Unipolarism is not natural, anything other than a catastrophe that sees the US or China collapse the world is not going to be unipolar. The US only got unprecedented strength due to WWII destroying Eurasia and the world became unipolar only after the collapse of the Soviet Union, China can still remain 70-80% of the US total GDP for the next 50 years and the US won't be able to dominate it and the world. It doesn't need to surpass the US in total GDP at all. To try to maintain the level of power required to dominate an increasingly wealthier world would mean the US will just bankrupt itself. I don't think the Chinese leadership want "poles", they want a multilateral world order so as to dilute the United States' power, that's what decentralization means.

Honestly, nobody cares if a country views itself as superior and doesn't consider anybody else as equals. Internal ideologies hold no real intrinsic value for those outside the perimeter of that country's borders as long as they keep it to themselves and don't act on it (imperialism, etc.) The guy from some village in Africa doesn't give a toss if China's considers itself the "middle kingdom", if the Chinese go there, does business and leaves then cool. What much of the world doesn't want is arrogance, moral arbiters, interference in internal affairs, and racism.
 

siegecrossbow

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Clowns in the UK: We are going TO DO INCREASING cyberattacks against China and Russia.

UK after being completely wrecked by cyberattacks:

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Muh SeeSeePee Le Bad.

I love how these stooge clowns just announced without shame so you can point their hypocrisy later.

China should consider this to be an act of cyber terrorism and use it as a pretext for special military operation in the UK, upon the conclusion of which all stolen artifacts in the British Museum will be returned to their rightful owners.
 

iewgnem

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Unipolarism is not natural, anything other than a catastrophe that sees the US or China collapse the world is not going to be unipolar. The US only got unprecedented strength due to WWII destroying Eurasia and the world became unipolar only after the collapse of the Soviet Union, China can still remain 70-80% of the US total GDP for the next 50 years and the US won't be able to dominate it and the world. It doesn't need to surpass the US in total GDP at all. To try to maintain the level of power required to dominate an increasingly wealthier world would mean the US will just bankrupt itself. I don't think the Chinese leadership want "poles", they want a multilateral world order so as to dilute the United States' power, that's what decentralization means.

Honestly, nobody cares if a country views itself as superior and doesn't consider anybody else as equals. Internal ideologies hold no real intrinsic value for those outside the perimeter of that country's borders as long as they keep it to themselves and don't act on it (imperialism, etc.) The guy from some village in Africa doesn't give a toss if China's considers itself the "middle kingdom", if the Chinese go there, does business and leaves then cool. What much of the world doesn't want is arrogance, moral arbiters, interference in internal affairs, and racism.
Unipolarism within communication range IS the natural state and has been for most of Chinese history. China did not come to believe unification is paramount because Chinese culture believes in multipolarity.

In practice US is not in a position to challenge China as the unipolar power at this point, GDP measures transaction volume, not econmic power, Chinese production, consumption and talent pool all dwarfs America even today and the gap is only getting wider. What US has is a desire to be a pole, and as such they pretend transaction volume is economic power, while China has no desire to bring others down, so China let them. This pretense of multipolarity can hold so long as America does not actually try to wield power, but as their recent trade war demonstrated, the moment they try to wield it, they get promptly reminded who has the cards.

And how China views itself is very important as it indicates what China will do, for countries that has no aspirations to be a pole this information is not very important, but for countries that do have aspirations, its very important for them to understand China has no intention of making it easy, or possible.
 
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