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horse

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I think there are a couple more dimensions I don't think has been talked about much:

Yeah exactly, what we are seeing is stupid beyond belief.

Okay, suppose how Trump the deal maker starts making deals with all those countries that want to kiss his ass.

What is the deal? Buy more General Motors gas guzzling cars and stop buying Chinese EVs, is that what they are going to negotiate with Vietnam?

I don't know.

No one knows.

FUBAR!
 

iewgnem

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Didn’t Japan & South Korea both propose to buy more US energy? Didn’t their leaders came out & said they would not retaliate as China did? Both of them spoke to Trump the day before, so they most certainly did reach out to negotiate and did not coordinate with China on joint action as was claimed.
And while they were "negotiating" Japan was selling treasuries and forced Trump to fold... so now there's nothing to not retaliate on is there? The negotiation has concluded, lol
 

Eventine

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And while they were "negotiating" Japan was selling treasuries and forced Trump to fold... so now there's nothing to not retaliate on is there? lol
Treasuries selling in anticipation of a rout is just having economic sense. I don’t think Japan forced Trump to do anything - they don’t have that power - but Trump proved to be weaker politically than anticipated and feared a bonds rout would put him in the cross hairs of a Congressional rebellion since Congress was already not happy with him dictating trade. Japan just happened to be a major player in that rout along with various other holders.
 

Sardaukar20

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They're so damn stupid. They think that China is so afraid of big tariff figures. Let Trump impose 1000% tariffs, and China still wont care. Their trade networks have already been poised to be rerouted.

Chinese companies and various MNCs have already build their re-export supply chains outside of China since Trump's first trade war. The more tariffs that Trump puts on China, the more useful these re-export hubs become. If they register shell companies in Singapore or Ireland, then they can go around tariffs or restrictions aimed at Chinese companies.

Even if China wants to buy something from the US, they can either get them from the Chinese factories of US companies, or they can buy it through intermediary countries who were slapped with much lower tariffs from Trump.

Trump and Mr Wonderful have no meaningful leverage on "Supreme Leader" Xi. The Chinese stock market is controlled by the government, so Trump's tariffs can only do so much damage. It is America who is ultimately gonna experience more inflation pain as they have practically tariffed the whole world.

In a trade war, or even a hot war. The side who actually produces useful stuff is always more powerful than the side who mostly produces overvalued paper and noise.
 
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lych470

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I don’t even know why Trump is talking about China making deals. If you don’t need China, you don’t need to deal at all. They believe China will collapse without Americans buying from them. Well isn’t that what they should prefer if China is such a great threat? So why not just end relations all together?

They want to assert dominance over China. The bipartisan Trump, Dems, GOP, etc are all having an existential crisis over losing the ability to decree what everyone else must do.

Ah, but you see this is where the Germanic Victory Theory comes to the fore.

The US are high caste Brahmin. The Chinese are Dalits. The very fact that the US is even deigning to talk to China is giving China face. The fact that the Chinese are ignoring the US is doubly humiliating because the Chinese are dirty Untouchables. How dare the filthy Chinese ignore the mighty US of A?

The US is so addicted to 'winning' because it's the only thing propping up their pathetic worldview. The US is only allowed to win, and China is allowed to lose, reality be damned.
 

lych470

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iewgnem

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Treasuries selling in anticipation of a rout is just having economic sense. I don’t think Japan forced Trump to do anything - they don’t have that power - but Trump proved to be weaker politically than anticipated and feared a bonds rout would put him in the cross hairs of a Congressional rebellion since Congress was already not happy with him dictating trade. Japan just happened to be a major player in that rout along with various other holders.
I'm going to assume you're not saying someone's selling tresuries in anticipation of stock market rout...
So are you suggesting it was actually China's theoretical sale that prompted Japan to sell which in turn forced Trump to capitulate? That China just looked at its treasury holding and that was enough for Trump to fold?

Lastly yeah I don't think Trump cares about Congress right now.
 

henrik

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They're so damn stupid. They think that China is so afraid of big tariff figures. Let Trump impose 1000% tariffs, and China still wont care. Their trade networks have already been poised to be rerouted.

Chinese companies and various MNCs have already build their re-export supply chains outside of China since Trump's first trade war. The more tariffs that Trump puts on China, the more useful these re-export hubs become. If they register shell companies in Singapore or Ireland, then they can go around tariffs or restrictions aimed at Chinese companies.

Even if China wants to buy something from the US, they can either get them from the Chinese factories of US companies, or they can buy it through intermediary countries who were slapped with much lower tariffs from Trump.

Trump and Mr Wonderful have no meaningful leverage on "Supreme Leader" Xi. The Chinese stock market is controlled by the government, so Trump's tariffs can only do so much damage. It is America who is ultimately gonna experience more inflation pain as they have practically tariffed the whole world.

In a trade war, or even a hot war. The side who actually produces useful stuff is always more powerful than the side who mostly produces overvalued paper and noise.

Mr Wonderful's hedge funds are losing big, that is why he is so angry about China.
 
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