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Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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vincent said:
Dude, hold on your hate until the investigation is done. Geez
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I'm not hating. I'm just stating inconvenient facts. Some of these Chinese construction companies are not good actors. I have blasted Bihar bridge construction, and Boeing shoddy manufacturing. We didn't wait for investigations to conclude the findings for those cases. We cannot be politically biased when it comes to things where irresponsibility can endanger people's lives. This Bangkok building collapse may not be their fault, but lets not pre-assume that they are gonna be innocent.
 
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AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Laviduce said:
Not sure if already posted but this is rich:

China's Xi Could End Russia War With One Phone Call: Stubb - Bloomberg "News"​



China’s power over Russia is so great that President Xi Jinping could force an end to the war in Ukraine if he chose to do so, according to Finland's President Alexander Stubb. "One phone call from President Xi Jinping would solve this crisis,” Stubb said in an interview with Bloomberg's Kati Pohjanpalo in Helsinki. "If China is genuinely interested in harmonious relations between nation states, it cannot allow a country like Russia to drive an imperial, at the end of the day aggressive and colonial, war against a independent nation state."

Personal Opinion:

Stubbs is just another trans-atlanticist regime bot/polished liar that parrots official neocon/neolib talking points. He is not interested in offering an honest assessment of the situation.

1) His claim China was on the fence is a gross oversimplification.

China knew what the US and its vassals were up to in Ukraine since at least 2014. Yet knowing this, it never really supported the 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

2) His claim that "One call from Xi could stop the war" is a gross oversimplification.

Russia is not a vassal state unlike Finland that now has become a whore of the neocon/neolib/trans-atlanticist establishment in large part due to Stubb.

3) His claim that “Russia is waging an imperial, colonial war… China must uphold territorial integrity.” is pure projection

The U.S. and its vassal states have waged colonial-style wars and coups of aggression for decades: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Ukraine.
The propaganda term “rules-based order” is used selectively to attack countries that are unwilling to bend the knee to the neocon/neolib/transatlanticist regime.

4) His nonsense comment of "China would gain goodwill from the Global South…”

Much of the global majority sides more with China and Russia than with the neocon/neolib/trans-atlanticist regime and its absurd hypocrisy and lies.

Question: How can China, Russia and the rest of the true free world hope to deal with shameless liars like Stubb in any meaningful way ?
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The US can stop the genocide in Gaza with one phone call too but they don't do it. Why would China throw all it's geopolitical capital it has accumulated away just to be reduced to nothing by following the West? China has to sacrifice everything for what the West wants. Why would China help the West isolate itself when they were targeting China before they didn't see Russia invading Ukraine? Ukrainian militia were in Hong Kong helping to separate it from China before Russia invaded Ukraine. It's called karma's a bitch!

I wish China would respond stating these simple facts in retort if they want the hypocrite West to shut up. Why not? Because Chinese want to look like they're taking the high road and that'll make them think about it? Maybe it'll make Westerners angry at China. It's funny how you have Chinese people policing how other Chinese conduct themselves but they're perfectly okay when Westerners do all the time the very things they expect Chinese not to do. And I'm not talking about just at a diplomatic country to country level. Chinese do it on a civilian level. You just look in this forum. Some joyous event happens for the Chinese and you'll have some other Chinese telling people to cut it out. Stop being happy! Why? Because that might make Westerners mad? Again the West can do that but not the Chinese. It should tell you something when you have Chinese looking out for Western feelings and the West still disrespects you.
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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Sardaukar20 said:
Many buildings that didn't collapse were also built by Chinese companies. But everything is political as hell today, people are waiting to jump on anything that would make China look bad. And the few Chinese bad apples continue to give them more ammo to spew they venom. If this building was constructed by a Japanese company, it wouldn't have received this much stinging criticism. Hell, if Adani was the main contractor, you would see me blasting them without mercy.

This is not the end of Chinese projects in the BRI and the Global South, but this should serve as a wakeup call for China to enforce higher standards on Chinese construction firms. If they have done wrong things, punish them, set an example out of them. China had spared no mercy to the speculative property developers, so why should construction firms be exempted?
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Looks like the Chinese government are also catching up on this issue.
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China's embassy in Bangkok called on Chinese companies operating abroad to comply with local laws after a Chinese construction firm came under scrutiny for a deadly building collapse in last week's
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Biscuits

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Sardaukar20 said:
Many buildings that didn't collapse were also built by Chinese companies. But everything is political as hell today, people are waiting to jump on anything that would make China look bad. And the few Chinese bad apples gave them more ammo to spew they venom. If this building was constructed by a Japanese company, it wouldn't have received this much stinging criticism.
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Why do you think that is? It's because Japanese have this beautiful cultural affinity to close ranks. China should incorporate the best parts of that philosophy.

Why does closing ranks to save face matter? Because it's about maximizing the reputation for the next deal.

China should keep openness at home but be ready to close ranks outsides.
Sardaukar20 said:
Hell, if Adani was the main contractor, you would see me blasting them without mercy.

This is not the end of Chinese projects in the BRI and the Global South, but this should serve as a wakeup call for China to enforce higher standards on Chinese construction firms. If they have done wrong things, punish them, set an example out of them. China had spared no mercy to the speculative property developers, so why should construction firms be exempted?
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No country in the world would admit that they are at fault for something someone else owns and built. That's the gold standard and China must stick with it. If investigation somehow reveals everyone was guilty and that railway company has a portion in it, then yes I agree China needs to do something to them. Not publicly, but take them out back and just execute them silently. Break them up and let new boards/CEOs control the new companies. On the public front, just divert, delay and downplay. Put the responsibility on the co-conspirators. It's what China's enemies would have done, China can't fall behind enemy nations in saving face either.
 
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taxiya

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Sardaukar20 said:
I'm not hating. I'm just stating inconvenient facts. Some of these Chinese construction companies are not good actors. I have blasted Bihar bridge construction, and Boeing shoddy manufacturing. We didn't wait for investigations to conclude the findings for those cases. We cannot be politically biased when it comes to things where irresponsibility can endanger people's lives. This Bangkok building collapse may not be their fault, but lets not pre-assume that they are gonna be innocent.
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As the general rule goes, people are innocent until proven guilty. Assigning blame to anyone before thorough and professional investigation has been conducted is wrong, regardless whom you are blaming, Indian, Chinese or American.

There is a very plausible explaination for the collapse,
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, also known as "pancake effect" used to discribe 911 collapses. Basically, all these buildings have their floors distributing their weight and load to the columns/pillars. The floor itself is not strong engough neither meant to be to hold the mass of upper floors. If a floor is dropped on the lower floor, the lower floor will definitely break, then two floors mass will hit the floor below creating a cascading (increasing) dropping mass.

A finished building won't have the top floor suddenly crack and drop without cause, but this building is being built when the earthquake hits. It is likely that a top floor was being put in place and hadn't been aligned and fixed (bolted or welded) in place, or the crane cable snapped due to the increased stress from the quake. This would trigger the progressive collapse. A structure under construction certainly does not meet the integrity specification of its finished form, it simply can't and shouldn't be demanded.
 
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supersnoop

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daifo said:
Another "At what cost." If there is truth to a study, there is a way to report this to not make it sensational title.

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To be fair, I have read such articles back 20 years when SO2 scrubbers were being mandated to stop rain acidification. As mentioned in the article, the particulate matter was found to block solar radiation. All headlines are meant to have a level of sensationalism, but I don’t think there is meant to an element of blame here, just the scientific quirk.
 
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KenC

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Building collapse in such situation may not be blamed solely on builder. The structural engineer could also be responsible. In this case, the consultants are more likely from local companies.
Also the incomplete building doesn't seem to be build to resist earthquake, given the rather slender columns and lack of interconnecting beams.

But question remains why this structure collapsed while others are standing. It could be due to resonance effect, whereby the natural frequency is closed to the frequency of the surrounding ground that was induced by the earthquake vibration. Mind you, Bangkok is situated in a basin filled with soft clay, which is not conducive for building high rises.
 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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Sardaukar20 said:
I'm not hating. I'm just stating inconvenient facts. Some of these Chinese construction companies are not good actors. I have blasted Bihar bridge construction, and Boeing shoddy manufacturing. We didn't wait for investigations to conclude the findings for those cases. We cannot be politically biased when it comes to things where irresponsibility can endanger people's lives. This Bangkok building collapse may not be their fault, but lets not pre-assume that they are gonna be innocent.
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There is only 1 fact though: an unfinished building which was not designed by a Chinese company collapsed.

An unfinished building doesn't meet the same safety standards as a finished building by definition.
 
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