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Randomuser

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The way I see it, the west and most countries like politics but hate governance. Per oxford dictionary

Politics: the activities involved in getting and using power in public life, and being able to influence decisions that affect a country or a society

Governance: the activity of governing a country or controlling a company or an organization; the way in which a country is governed or a company or institution is controlled

As you can see one is about talking about getting power. The other is actually using that power to govern properly. Countries in the west, India etc love the first one because its more about talking than actually doing. Countries like China care more about the second one. That's why they don't care that China has one party because that's not actually important. What's important is how it actually governs. And that stuff is actually hard.

There is a misconception the west has good governance because it is rich. But that wealth was gained mainly through plunder, colonies and setting the economic system in their favour. Now they are losing that, we can see their form of governance doesn't actually work as well as they claimed and people can see it. They of course don't want to admit it.
I want to add on a bit to this using LOTR and GoT since people aren't gonna care about the obscure stuff.

Apparently according to an actual history professor (and AI) despite it being supposedly more realistic, GoT is actually less grounded and realistic in worldbuilding and explanations of governance than LOTR.

How can that be? Tolkein never talked about Aragon's tax policy after all. Well the thing is GoT didn't talk about it much either. If anything its actually worse because it tries to portray itself as realistic but never going into depth about actual governance because thats boring. Notice how a lot of the governance stuff is just people backstabbing and killing each other for power? This is more of politics rather than governance. Thats why so many love GoT for its "realism" because it pretends to be realistic while not focusing on the actual stuff that needs details. In contrast despite LOTR being a fantasy, most people would find the indepth lore from it as well as the other materials rather boring because although it doesn't go into that much realistic details, there is a systematic structure of how things are laid out. Like who is the steward of Gondor, why Aragon has the right to claim lineage, why the shire is still alive, how it elects leaders, why a certain area does stuff culture wise etc. This is sort boring and doesn't even go to that much detail but this is consistent, does not involve all this drama and is closer to showing "governance".
 

Africablack

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By your logic, the United States is the most morally righteous country in the world because of all the wonderful, egalitarian and aspirational things that are written in its constitution.
The things written in the constitution is not the problem, it's their behavior. Two different things.
 

GulfLander

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"There was a suspicious spike in Tesla sales in Canada ahead of the deadline for a federal rebate program for EVs. Adrian Ghobrial investigates." CTV news
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There seem to be more reports like this recently?
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The guy (canadian?) being interviewed seem to support "hit back hard" vs US tariffs..
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Manitoba will continue some "retaliation" even after the delay of US tariff vs Canada.
 
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Ringsword

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That quote I saw in a movie a long time ago.

Cannot find it now in the historical records.

This is the closest I could find.

Wonder if the new Yalta meeting will go down like this.


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It was Patton -the monologue at the beginning-great movie and a great general who was so competent and dangerous he was killed in a "car accident" shortly after WW2 in Europe had ended and Patton was all ready to invade home islands Japan -Operation Downfall IIRC-and MacArthur was a chickenshit,incompetent fleeing to australia by PTspeedboat with wife/kid and gold/money leaving his subordinate Gen Wainwright to defeat and jap brutal captivity for 4 years.
 

Ringsword

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So the behavior and not the religion.
No,it is the full blown hypocrisy not the tenets espoused by said faith(peace,truth,brotherhood,care of others,justice)if they had indeed practiced even half of what they preached-history would not be so bloody.And this type of "virtue signalling" by an wannabe murderous,self-righteous asshole like Rubio,who would LOVE to see China crushed,broken ,enslaved-her men as slaves,women as whores makes me sick with rage and disgust.And as very high ranking official of a major nation he should keep his personal religious beliefs private .But I am happy the mask is off.
 
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tygyg1111

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I want to add on a bit to this using LOTR and GoT since people aren't gonna care about the obscure stuff.

Apparently according to an actual history professor (and AI) despite it being supposedly more realistic, GoT is actually less grounded and realistic in worldbuilding and explanations of governance than LOTR.

How can that be? Tolkein never talked about Aragon's tax policy after all. Well the thing is GoT didn't talk about it much either. If anything its actually worse because it tries to portray itself as realistic but never going into depth about actual governance because thats boring. Notice how a lot of the governance stuff is just people backstabbing and killing each other for power? This is more of politics rather than governance. Thats why so many love GoT for its "realism" because it pretends to be realistic while not focusing on the actual stuff that needs details. In contrast despite LOTR being a fantasy, most people would find the indepth lore from it as well as the other materials rather boring because although it doesn't go into that much realistic details, there is a systematic structure of how things are laid out. Like who is the steward of Gondor, why Aragon has the right to claim lineage, why the shire is still alive, how it elects leaders, why a certain area does stuff culture wise etc. This is sort boring and doesn't even go to that much detail but this is consistent, does not involve all this drama and is closer to showing "governance".
GoT interpersonal relationships were more realistic, but that's as far as it goes.
I couldn't help but think (based on the TV series), a place like King's landing would have long erupted in violent revolt against the incompetent and unnecessarily cruel governance of the Lannisters.
The Bolton kingdom would have long ago fallen apart from people fleeing en masse due to the barbaric nature of the ruling family (even if it was slaves brought in from outside that were brutalized for the entertainment of the townsfolk - once the people realized the Bolton family was just plain f*cked up, they would have realized they could be next if fortunes were to change).
 

Chevalier

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honestly, I think it’s too little, too late. I’d prefer to crush all pretensions of western superiority with hard power but I’m the minority. There’s a reason Chinese emperors made the former mongol overlords kowtow repeatedly to the Ming, as a reinforcement that they were no longer the mighty masters of the universe as before.
 

RedBaron

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Pity. I'd have liked to see him join Orban&Fico bloc. At least Babis is expected to win in Czech Republic later this year, which means Obersturmführer Ursula and others will have another thorn in their behind.
Despite pressure from both the US and Russia, Bucharest seems intent on barring the 62-year-old self-described “sovereigntist” from running. Two people familiar with the situation told the Financial Times that Georgescu’s presidential bid was likely to be thrown out because of the criminal probe.

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