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plawolf

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China and Russia are just doing a good cop bad cop routine that NATO somehow manages to swallow hook line and sinker.

Russia could certainly give such "guarantees" to US, it would also break the guarantees in a moment's notice if told to do so by China.

The funny thing is that is actually America and China that is doing the Good-Cop Bad-Cop routine while the Russians are playing the role of the Big Bad Wolf.

America wants to do a G2 with Russia to keep things as simple as possible to try to maximise their chances of hammering out an agreement ASAP.

Unfortunately for them, China gets to play responsible power and demand to drag Ukraine, the EU and anyone who wants to feel important into the picture. Ostensively to give them equal voice in the matter. But in reality it just EU-fies the whole thing bogging it down in endless circles of negotiations and bickering so nothing can be agreed and no one can blame Russia for not at least trying.
 

Randomuser

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I wonder why Trump dislikes Modi so much?

A lot of Indians were simping for Trump but he doesn't seem to like Modi and gave him shitty deals. Meanwhile Trump is supposed to be enemies with Xi but at least gives him props.

My guess is Trump really dislikes Sycophants being in New York real estate and dealing with tough personalities. He knows what kind of person Modi really is. After all Modi is from Gujarat which is the slimey merchant zone. It takes one to know one.
 

sheogorath

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anyone else annoyed at upstart nations like EU member countries and India believing what they say matters? They should know their place, sit down, STFU since this is the world order they support. They’re so used to acting as slaves, they should remember their training when China assumes hegemony.
The EU is mired in a sunk cost fallacy in part derived from drinking their own kool aid about how they have totally weakened Russia, as if their own arsenals arent completely empty, and they don't have the industrial capacity to refill any of it without China in a relevant time frame
 

Abominable

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I wonder why Trump dislikes Modi so much?

A lot of Indians were simping for Trump but he doesn't seem to like Modi and gave him shitty deals. Meanwhile Trump is supposed to be enemies with Xi but at least gives him props.

My guess is Trump really dislikes Sycophants being in New York real estate and dealing with tough personalities. He knows what kind of person Modi really is. After all Modi is from Gujarat which is the slimey merchant zone. It takes one to know one.
Trump being a businessman can probably smell the bullshit (sorry cow dung) from a mile away.

Nixon said some colourful things about Indian politicians. I bet Trump would concur.
 

Africablack

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Countries don't wake up and decide to create blocs, that's childish thinking. Blocs exist through a combination of strategic or geopolitical interests and hard and soft power.

Canada and Europe won't be breaking out of anything any time soon (I give Mexico a chance but we'll see). The knee will be pressed harder on their neck. For that to happen they will need to exit NATO, close down US bases, and ban Israeli/American NGOs and dual nationals. Yes, their politicians will purport to resist a little but it's largely theatrics to placate their electorate. For the existing template of this see Erdogan and Turkey.

I don't see any empire building from Russia. They are just taking back historically Russian territory that was wrongly taken from them in an undemocratic manner. No different to the African fight for liberation against European colonialism. Do you think China taking back Taiwan is China "empire building"?
Russia can feel how it wants to feel, they entered Ukraine and the Ukrainians resisted them more than anyone thought they would (even with help from weapons from the west). That should send them a message. Anybody can claim land as theirs, the Jews claim Palestinian lands as theirs and cite history but very few people here side with them and their claims. Russia needs to fall back and let Ukraine go, Russia is the largest country in the world by geography, spans 11 time zones and has so much natural resources they don't have to rely on trade like China does so what do they need Ukraine for?

Empire building will always come with excuses: "Our historical lands!", "Spreading civilization", "National security", "Spreading {insert religion here]/democracy". It's the same practice wrapped in different clothes.
 

Africablack

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Russia would have won if they didn't sign Minsk agreement and went on to capture entire Ukraine. Because they signed the agreement that gave Ukraine enough time to build on defense especially around Donetsk. That was biggest mistake Russia made. And I don't know why u think invading Ukraine was a stupid decision when Europe are weakened due to the invasion of Ukraine. They stopped importing Russian oil and now look at their economy. Eu are now more divided. If they allowed Ukraine to become NATO member, then nobody would take Russia seriously. They have kept saying for decades allowing Ukraine to become NATO member is clearly a red line and shouldn't be crossed.
The biggest mistake Russia made was thinking it was still the Soviet Union and not evolving from that mindset. Deng Xiaoping said Russian (Soviet) leaders were stupid and he's proven right with each passing day. The Russians don't want to make themselves attractive enough for countries located in its periphery to want to be a part of it and yet they think rolling in tanks and using covert methods of subversion will work when most people of this world are tired of big powers telling them what to do. They've lost Central Asia to the Chinese, pissed off Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Ukraine. Their only friend is Belarus.
 

Africablack

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What a racist post. What are "European tendencies" and how do they contrast with African tendencies?
If you think this is racist you should see how people talk about Indians here, the reason why my post is "racist" to you is because I'm talking about Russia and not a country like India or a western country. Europeans have their tendencies that's intrinsic to their civilization. They love to dominate others, other groups do it too but not to the extent the Europeans do. As powerful as the Chinese have become they aren't going around using gunboat diplomacy and forcing people to sign unequal treaties that benefit them at the expense of others, they aren't colonizing my people and forcing their religion or culture on me either. They show up, do business and leave. Everybody is happy.
 

Abominable

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Russia can feel how it wants to feel, they entered Ukraine and the Ukrainians resisted them more than anyone thought they would (even with help from weapons from the west). That should send them a message. Anybody can claim land as theirs, the Jews claim Palestinian lands as theirs and cite history but very few people here side with them and their claims. Russia needs to fall back and let Ukraine go, Russia is the largest country in the world by geography, spans 11 time zones and has so much natural resources they don't have to rely on trade like China does so what do they need Ukraine for?

Empire building will always come with excuses: "Our historical lands!", "Spreading civilization", "National security", "Spreading {insert religion here]/democracy". It's the same practice wrapped in different clothes.
Why should Russia fall back and let Ukraine go? Shouldn't it be America who ought to fall back and let Ukraine go?

Yeah Russia is big and resource rich, so what? Then they must ignore the plight of Russians living in the Ukraine? Including when they get burnt alive by Ukrainian Nazis?

You're making the exact arguments that were used in support of apartheid South Africa. Black Africans have so many countries and so much territory, what harm is one white country in Africa? Zionists make the same argument about Palestinians. "Arabs have so many countries, Israel only wants a tiny slither of land".

I assume you don't subscribe to either of those views, so why is it different with Russia?

You seem to have preconceived notions about what Russia is doing.
 

Africablack

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Why should Russia fall back and let Ukraine go? Shouldn't it be America who ought to fall back and let Ukraine go?

Yeah Russia is big and resource rich, so what? Then they must ignore the plight of Russians living in the Ukraine? Including when they get burnt alive by Ukrainian Nazis?

You're making the exact arguments that were used in support of apartheid South Africa. Black Africans have so many countries and so much territory, what harm is one white country in Africa? Zionists make the same argument about Palestinians. "Arabs have so many countries, Israel only wants a tiny slither of land".

I assume you don't subscribe to either of those views, so why is it different with Russia?

You seem to have preconceived notions about what Russia is doing.
I don't know if you're trolling but this is laughable. White settlers came to my continent and forcefully settled, they used their superior tech to subdue natives. Aren't the Ukrainians the natives in those lands? If Ukrainians moved to Russia and tried to colonize Russia and Russia fought back then your point would be valid. This is why reasonable people cheer the Soviet Union fighting and defeating the Nazis.

When the Europeans decided to carve up the continent, they created a bunch of artificial colonial constructs that put many ethnic groups together that had no business being together and used artificial boundaries to separate brothers. In South West Nigeria, you have the Yoruba who have far more in common with their Yoruba brothers (and other similar groups) in neighboring Benin Republic than they do with Igbos, who are supposed to be their countrymen. Igbos have more in common with groups in southwest Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea than they do with Hausa, Fulani, Tiv, Urhobo, etc who they are supposed to share a country with. Benin Yorubas move to Nigeria and settle and Nigerian Yorubas do the same willingly. However, if the current President of Nigeria, Bola Tinubu, a Yoruba man, wakes up tomorrow and decides to roll tanks into Benin (which they could easily do as Nigeria has, by far, the most powerful military in West Africa) to unite Yorubas under the same country, the Beninese Yoruba would fight like hell and rightfully so.

Two groups may be historically linked but they've lived long enough in two different countries that you've got to be mad to want to forcefully subdue people who have enjoyed sovereignty for a long period of time. Russia needs to read the writing on the wall, focus on building itself and building good relations with its neighbors.
 

iewgnem

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Russia can feel how it wants to feel, they entered Ukraine and the Ukrainians resisted them more than anyone thought they would (even with help from weapons from the west). That should send them a message. Anybody can claim land as theirs, the Jews claim Palestinian lands as theirs and cite history but very few people here side with them and their claims. Russia needs to fall back and let Ukraine go, Russia is the largest country in the world by geography, spans 11 time zones and has so much natural resources they don't have to rely on trade like China does so what do they need Ukraine for?

Empire building will always come with excuses: "Our historical lands!", "Spreading civilization", "National security", "Spreading {insert religion here]/democracy". It's the same practice wrapped in different clothes.
Compare Ukraine to Gaza and tell me Ukraine "resisted"
Do you see goons roaming the street abducting Palestinians to resist?
That's the difference between war of liberating your own people under NATO occupation, vs war of imperial expansion where locals aren't necessary.

Israel's claim to Palestine is the exact same nature as NATO claim to Ukraine, they're both the exact same group of Europeans going to a new land, enslaving the locals and claiming it as their own. Russia and Palestine are both fighting the same people, Russia is just a lot more powerful.
 
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