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MonkeyEatingEagle

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vincent said:
Japanese interest rate is almost zero
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I'm aware but not that updated. If I recall correctly, at some point it was negative interest as part of BOJ strategy to stimulate the ailing Japanese economy. My point remains though. Using Japan as an example, this talk about US debt isn't a bad as it seems; same goes for China's debt as well which is being parroted by westerners a lot.
 
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antwerpery

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00CuriousObserver said:
What people expected: 60% tariffs on China

What people got:
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Let's be real here. He's 100% going to tariff China too. But "when you swing for the King, you better not miss". Canada and Mexico are vassal states, he can rush out whatever tariffs he wants and not have any consequences. He can change his mind, alter the tariffs however he likes and use it as a negotiating tactic.

Meanwhile, China is basically the only country that is equal to America, so they have to tread carefully and with lots of negotiation if they actually want to do it. China can actually hit back with a fatal blow, so they have to prepare heavily. I expect that the tariffs aren't going to be as harsh as they are on Canada/Mexico due to this.
 
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antwerpery said:
The ball is in China's court now. I wonder if they will be quiet and not rock the boat for a few months and allow America to dig itself deeper and deeper. Or immediately go on a blitz and try to fill in the vacuum left by America. I think at the very least, they should try to fill in the funding gap left by America in the WHO. Some other obvious steps.

1) Fill in gap left by America leaving the WHO
2) Take charge of the Paris agreement and take even more control of the global green revolution
3) Renegotiate trade deals with countries that are gonna be fucked by the tariffs, Europe, Mexico and Canada are prime targets, but every nation is going to have a real hard look at their trade policy if Trump really does tariff every nation like he claims.
4) Negotiate arms/defense/security deals with countries that are threatened by recent American aggression, namely Latin America and maybe Europe.
5) Try to get more influence/soft power globally.

Of course I have to ask, even if Trump hands over the role of world Hegemon and world's police to China on a sliver platter, do they even want that role? Or is China also better in mainly dealing with it's own backyard and just engaging with the world on trade?
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Let's see which world leader is the first to arrive in China. Perhaps it will be Donald Trump himself.
 
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vincent

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MonkeyEatingEagle said:
I'm aware but not that updated. If I recall correctly, at some point it was negative interest as part of BOJ strategy to stimulate the ailing Japanese economy. My point remains though. Using Japan as an example, this talk about US debt isn't a bad as it seems; same goes for China's debt as well which is being parroted by westerners a lot.
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Chinese debt calculations by Western MSM is fake news. If use the same methodology, US debt is above 700%
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antwerpery said:
The ball is in China's court now. I wonder if they will be quiet and not rock the boat for a few months and allow America to dig itself deeper and deeper. Or immediately go on a blitz and try to fill in the vacuum left by America. I think at the very least, they should try to fill in the funding gap left by America in the WHO. Some other obvious steps.

1) Fill in gap left by America leaving the WHO
2) Take charge of the Paris agreement and take even more control of the global green revolution
3) Renegotiate trade deals with countries that are gonna be fucked by the tariffs, Europe, Mexico and Canada are prime targets, but every nation is going to have a real hard look at their trade policy if Trump really does tariff every nation like he claims.
4) Negotiate arms/defense/security deals with countries that are threatened by recent American aggression, namely Latin America and maybe Europe.
5) Try to get more influence/soft power globally.

Of course I have to ask, even if Trump hands over the role of world Hegemon and world's police to China on a sliver platter, do they even want that role? Or is China also better in mainly dealing with it's own backyard and just engaging with the world on trade?
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Agree with everything but point 4. China at the current stage is only invested in the security of DPRK and Pakistan, the former by Treaty. China will of course be interested in exporting its arms, but it isn't looking to have formal defence commitments a la the US.
 
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00CuriousObserver

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antwerpery said:
Let's be real here. He's 100% going to tariff China too. But "when you swing for the King, you better not miss". Canada and Mexico are vassal states, he can rush out whatever tariffs he wants and not have any consequences. He can change his mind, alter the tariffs however he likes and use it as a negotiating tactic.

Meanwhile, China is basically the only country that is equal to America, so they have to tread carefully and with lots of negotiation if they actually want to do it. China can actually hit back with a fatal blow, so they have to prepare heavily. I expect that the tariffs aren't going to be as harsh as they are on Canada/Mexico due to this.
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Of course. I don't expect him to be soft on China.

But so far... Let's just say it's... A bit different from my expectations
 
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antwerpery

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lych470 said:
Agree with everything but point 4. China at the current stage is only invested in the security of DPRK and Pakistan, the former by Treaty. China will of course be interested in exporting its arms, but it isn't looking to have formal defence commitments a la the US.
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I think there's room for an agreement or treaty here. The world is changing fast, and this is the once in a century opportunity. The next administration will probably start to claw back America's influence and soft power after Trump. It can be a vague "China and Panama agree to a defense treaty to protect our mutual economic interest and sea lanes", with no actual concrete terms. Just a framework to build up on.
 
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