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SanWenYu

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Either way? I'd say it's going to go one way, as China has developed its immunity to the West's propaganda from 1450 and Chinese Libtards drip-feeding their venom over the years. The US internet is like the Native Americans getting diseases from meeting Europeans for the first time from Chinese memes and shitposters.
I hope you are right but I am not as confident as you are about the immunity. I think a large portion of the Chinese internet population still do not have sufficient exposures to the libtard shit in the correct way.
 

TK3600

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Apparently OnlyFans was never blocked in China, I guess the
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correctly predicted a few years ago that in the near future western E-thots would be begging for the attention and money of the Chinese :)

China needs more free market, hoeflation must be kept in check.
All those e-thot will have access to top tier intel on American elite clients, and they will become Chinese spies. Our evil plan to dominate the world proceeds smoothly.
 

MelianPretext

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What's been happening is pretty interesting. There's a lot of credibility from the "America-explainer" Chinese liberals and academic types and the "China-explainer" "laowai" types that is being shattered right now. There's plenty of discourse on the Chinese domestic internet talking about how the public intellectuals who were constantly lecturing people on Guancha about how America was the beacon of the world and how dishwashers in America would be considered basically upper-class income in China are completely silent now that "their American masters" themselves have come to the Chinese internet in person to share what things are really like. From the other side, I came across one video on the app that encapsulates this phenomenon: some American guy living in China shared his unsolicited "wisdom" on "Chinese social customs" and talked about how "weird" it is that he "never" saw PDAs like Chinese people kissing in public.

If you post something like this in "expat" circlejerk communities like r/chinalife, they'll start making this into some grand orientalist narrative about Confucian patriarchal values or Asian social conservatism or Beijing-enforced public morality. That's exactly what the Chinese language responses, back from December when the video was posted, ended up saying, self-flagellating apologies on how "Chinese people simply aren't as expressive as 'free' Westerners are." Normally, that would be the end of that, with stereotypes further enforced. Now with Americans on the app, you got new English language responses to that video saying "Lol this is BS, you'd get side-eyed if you tried that in public here in the Midwest" or "Yuk. That isn't really acceptable in America either and I live in NYC."
 
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9dashline

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I'm enjoying the millenial Berlin evolution into what looks like shanghai fashion; plus who doesn't love goth suicide girls?


If AIPAC thought banning TikTok would remove Zoomer antisemitism, they were hilariously proven wrong

Apparently that head ADL guy is running a real-life Black Briar / Treadstone /Outcome projects/programs state-side... to suicide those that speak out against the nose
 

SanWenYu

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I think people think it's a new model, like it will be China's new special social media zone. Also I heard that apparently Hainan is about to drop the Great Firewall. Would be huge if true.
I had another thought on the GFW. This is truly a do-nothing-and-win situation for China. GFW do not, and probably should not, be removed for the time being.

The firewall is only one way probably by design. Oversea Chinese have been able to access the Chinese social platforms from all over the world. The TT refugees just came to 小红书 and started using it without any technical problems. So the firewall can stay as is for the least disruption.

抖音 now opens up for international user registration is likely due to its own setup from the days when the company needed to segregate its user bases. So this is just specific to the company instead of a broader issue for the industry.

If the Chinese government does not think it is the time to loosen up its censorship, it does not have to change how it regulates the internet just for these newcomers. But neither should it try to please the foreigners and treat them with unfairly laxer rules. The government should even keep the social media platforms from favouring foreigners over domestic users.
 

luminary

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Mark and big tech didn't understand Instagram reels and other 'replacement' platforms have already developed reputations and solidified communities that are unappealing to TikTokers, who have their own sense of identity and culture. For example, Insta is notorious for its sexism and racism. Nobody wants to share a platform with their parents and grandparents.

Bros, if China fumbles this opportunity on a silver platter, I will be so fucking pissed. Even if it has to run at a loss, China should be doing everything it can to Chinapill an entire generation of Westerners. I'm talking tourism, business deals, exchange student programs, the fucking works. For any naysayers: don't think of it as net loss but as the cost of an influence campaign—the single most effective influence campaign the Americans handed to us.
It's better to manage the start of an important relationship slowly and make only good impressions, than be hasty and ruin the opportunity forever. I believe there will be plenty of opportunities in 2025 now that the gates have been opened.

Soon, YouTube also will face an exodus, as Google has to squeeze ads more and more for revenue, while also upping censorship. They are even mandating reeducation for certain creators:
 

coolgod

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I had another thought on the GFW. This is truly a do-nothing-and-win situation for China. GFW do not, and probably should not, be removed for the time being.

The firewall is only one way probably by design. Oversea Chinese have been able to access the Chinese social platforms from all over the world. The TT refugees just came to 小红书 and started using it without any technical problems. So the firewall can stay as is for the least disruption.

抖音 now opens up for international user registration is likely due to its own setup from the days when the company needed to segregate its user bases. So this is just specific to the company instead of a broader issue for the industry.

If the Chinese government does not think it is the time to loosen up its censorship, it does not have to change how it regulates the internet just for these newcomers. But neither should it try to please the foreigners and treat them with unfairly laxer rules. The government should even keep the social media platforms from favouring foreigners over domestic users.

Hard for Oversea Chinese to access Douyin since you can't follow, like, or comment without a Chinese phone number, this change was rolled out a few years ago.

Douyin apparently "debunked" the Chinese media reports, they claim that foreigners still aren't able to register on Douyin even though many people have already seen the tiktok refugees on Douyin. I think Douyin was forced to deny publicly since Bytedance is still negotiating with US gov.

Also, I'm so curious how was Deino able to get his info from Weibo all these years?
 
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ougoah

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This is how the US wages war. They overthrow sovereign states and build bases right on their competitor's borders, all while pillaging the resources of the occupied entities and making them pay willingly for the occupation. They reshape their entire society, including the education system and media and revise their history to make them hate anyone the US wants them to hate, science and tech to make sure it goes back to the US, calibrate their currency to give the US total control over etc.. If that can't be done, they destabilize that country with sanctions and propaganda, create fake civil wars, create famines, and make life hell for said country until it collapses. The coerce countries into severing ties with their natural partners. They spread propaganda all over the world that promotes hate and resentment against their competitors. They lobby everywhere in the world to block opportunities for their competitors. They import refugees from all over the world for ethnic and linguistic purposes in order to recruit them and send them back to their home countries and have them infiltrate the political, military, social, and economic infrastructure there. This works especially well for ethnic minorities. They make sure to escalate in a very gradual manner over long periods of time and calibrate their victory as to insure it is not total in order to make it hard to justify a nuclear response. They use mercenaries, terrorists, and puppet states to wage wars because they have too many colonies to draw human resources from and it won't produce any serious political backlash at home. They nudge their competition into war and fund their enemies. Finally, they spread propaganda at home to make sure their people are brainwashed enough to consent to these atrocities by framing everyone as the bad guy and themselves as the morally superior and humane ones. Japan, SK, Taiwan, and the Philippines are being held hostage and have been for decades. Their leaders are all Americans disguised as locals.


China engages in non of these activities, so of course the US is far more experienced here and has many more resources to draw on. Do you honestly think the US is afraid of Chinese nukes or stand-off weapons? I advice you to take a quick look at what they are doing to Russia then think again. The US policy isn't to protect its people from nukes. It is to win a nuclear war should there be one, which are two very different things. War waging isn't just about nukes. There are much more powerful weapons than nukes that China could use against the US, but China chooses to do nothing. Nukes are just for stalemates and lashing out after losing. If the PLA is refusing to enter the game until the situation escalates to nuclear war, then the PLA will enter the game too late and way behind other players.


If China succumbs to US pressure and sell Tiktok, that is on China, because as bad as the US is, China is still responsible for defending itself at the end of the day. As long as China hangs on to its non-interference policy, allows the US to corner it on its own border and refuses to expand, the US will have no incentive to pack up and leave the SCS or any other region for that matter. If China doesn't go bother the US on its very own borders or at least outside the SCS, the US will continue to tell China to bang its head against the wall. So what if China has all these capabilities you mentioned? It is stuck in the SCS unable to even liberate Taiwan. The US will pit China against Japan, SK, and Taiwan and laugh its ass to town as they kill their brothers and sisters just as they are doing to Ukraine and Russia as we speak. The least China can do is engage in information and media warfare to tarnish the US reputation. Get some international media going. Open up to the English speaking world. Do documentaries. Do some reporting on US genocidal history. Do some reporting on current US behaviour in the UN and around the world and never ending wars. Do something just do something anything. There are people in Japan that think China and Russia nuked them because of how much brainwashing the US engages in there, so why won't China broadcast some truth? They won't even do an English translation for Weibo or allow international users to browse and register on it freely. The US trashes China everywhere in the world to the point where the whole world hates China and they don't even know why. Uygur this, Tienanmen that. Commie this, CCP that. One party them, two party we. If China is getting bullied and refuses to stand up to the bully, then that is entirely on China, because it has the money and the power to do something about this, and the longer it holds back, the less options to tackle these issues it will have later on. Now if the US was to acquire Greenland, Canada, and the Panama Canal while Russia and China sit idly by as the US more than triples its size, China and Russia would be equally to blame for this, because it would be a move against them.


This all reminds me of that bell curve meme

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Sorry this isn't to say you are an idiot. Far from... and the meme is just one of those that illustrate the dichotomy of truth and how often bad takes resemble correct understanding of something complex despite still being absolutely wrong in every single sense. Here, you have stumbled onto something but without understanding the full nuance.

One thing you're missing with this take is that engaging in the "do something, anything" right now (and to be honest Chinese diaspora often do participate in talk back), will enrage the west even more so than they already are pissy about China. This doesn't play well for China compared to the current, do nothing, win destiny of China and humanity.

The second thing you're missing is the deeper level of the truth iceberg. Most western people (even bleeding heart liberals) know and feel very differently to how they present. Some western chauvinists wear their thoughts outright but the reality is most westerns know exactly what the reality and truths are. They know the hypocrisy, they know the unfairness, they know all of it. They don't care.

You have no one to enlighten. This is a struggle for true power. True power comes from my industry, science, technology triumphing over yours. To be leading and gapping you at a degree you relent all of that pretending and carrying those same old false "perceptions". It means the difference between world class academics and industries vs lost tribes. When China is gapping the West to that degree, all things fall into their natural places and the delay in perception of unwashed, unintelligent masses catch up. India is very troubled by their efforts for this war of perception. Do you want to be like China's progress rate over the past 70 years or do you want to be India?

Where on that meme are you dear reader?

Same with opinions and understanding of reality with family and friends... everything that has become finally verified and corrected (of previous propaganda) in the mainstream, is already delayed by at least 5 years if not FAR longer. EVERYTHING. In time, even this snippet will prove itself true.
 

SanWenYu

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Hard for Oversea Chinese to access Douyin since you can't like or comment without a Chinese phone number, this change was rolled out a few years ago.

Douyin apparently "debunked" the Chinese media reports, they claim that foreigners still aren't able to register on Douyin even though many people have already seen the tiktok refugees on Douyin. I think Douyin was forced to deny publicly since Bytedance is still negotiating with US gov.
Just as I think it is Bytedance's own problem. The Chinese government now should keep an eye on them in case Bytedance wants to make a secret deal with the USG and sabotage 小红书 from accepting more TT refugees.
 
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