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manqiangrexue

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Biscuits said:
In my view it's probably fine to let them have it in exchange for dropping threats to Taiwan and maybe letting Russia have all of Ukraine/the coast.

Dealing with the Taiwan reintegration will take a lot of attention from China, and same with US if they get Greenland. It could be a chance for both sides to cool off rather than go into a hot war. China doesn't mind US having an influence sphere in the Atlantic as long as our influence sphere in Asia is unrestrained. De facto speaking, Asia territory is worth a lot more than Atlantic territory.

The most dangerous/competent thing Trump can do is to focus on fixing corruption during a thaw period and then come back with a stronger US. Having them distracted with cartels and Greenland so they don't do that is maybe good.
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Those are not connected. Taiwan is ours; the more threat we take it under, the more prestige in the prize. Russia will take all of Ukraine if they have the determination to push for it. It may not be today or tomorrow but as long as they hold out and refuse any peace offer, no one can outlast them there; NATO will bleed dry if they try. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are within America's control or in America's right to change. Never allow your enemies to make a deal with you over what is yours. "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" is something we press our adversaries to, never something we let happen to ourselves. There is no deal; we fight to wrest it from the enemy, and we use this fight to light a fire in our hearts to be better than them once and for all, something we would not have achieved if our goals were just given to us.

Greenland is also not in our control or our right to decide. I quite frankly think this is all old man bullshit rambling. But if it does move in that direction because either the people in Denmark or Greenland couldn't hold steady under threat, China's not in any place to prevent it. Nor is it that important. Greenland has a population of 56k despite being the size of a continent for a reason: it's completely useless.
 
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Ringsword

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manqiangrexue said:
Those are not connected. Taiwan is ours; the more threat we take it under, the more prestige in the prize. Russia will take all of Ukraine if they have the determination to push for it. It may not be today or tomorrow but as long as they hold out and refuse any peace offer, no one can outlast them there; NATO will bleed dry if they try. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are within America's control or in America's right to change. Never allow your enemies to make a deal with you over what is yours. "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" is something we press our adversaries to, never something we let happen to ourselves. There is no deal; we fight to wrest it from the enemy, and we use this fight to light a fire in our hearts to be better than them once and for all, something we would not have achieved if our goals were just given to us.

Greenland is also not in our control or our right to decide. I quite frankly think this is all old man bullshit rambling. But if it does move in that direction because either the people in Denmark or Greenland couldn't hold steady under threat, China's not in any place to prevent it. Nor is it that important. Greenland has a population of 56k despite being the size of a continent for a reason: it's completely useless.
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I have a feeling that the entire Korean war 2.0 UN/11+ countries led by the USA will attack China if TW reunification occurs BUT I hope China demonstrates the ability to smash their heads so,the likes of Can,UK, Turkiye,Greece ,thailand,australia, will think twice,no three times before entertaining the thought of attacking China ever again.
 
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iewgnem

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Ringsword said:
I have a feeling that the entire Korean war 2.0 UN/11+ countries led by the USA will attack China if TW reunification occurs BUT I hope China demonstrates the ability to smash their heads so,the likes of Can,UK, Turkiye,Greece ,thailand,australia, will think twice,no three times before entertaining the thought of attacking China ever again.
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They won't, but it is fun to imagine Chinese territory expanding to Europe
 
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vincent

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manqiangrexue said:
Those are not connected. Taiwan is ours; the more threat we take it under, the more prestige in the prize. Russia will take all of Ukraine if they have the determination to push for it. It may not be today or tomorrow but as long as they hold out and refuse any peace offer, no one can outlast them there; NATO will bleed dry if they try. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are within America's control or in America's right to change. Never allow your enemies to make a deal with you over what is yours. "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" is something we press our adversaries to, never something we let happen to ourselves. There is no deal; we fight to wrest it from the enemy, and we use this fight to light a fire in our hearts to be better than them once and for all, something we would not have achieved if our goals were just given to us.

Greenland is also not in our control or our right to decide. I quite frankly think this is all old man bullshit rambling. But if it does move in that direction because either the people in Denmark or Greenland couldn't hold steady under threat, China's not in any place to prevent it. Nor is it that important. Greenland has a population of 56k despite being the size of a continent for a reason: it's completely useless.
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He’s delusional, read his past posts. Best to ignore him.
 
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Biscuits

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manqiangrexue said:
Those are not connected. Taiwan is ours; the more threat we take it under, the more prestige in the prize. Russia will take all of Ukraine if they have the determination to push for it. It may not be today or tomorrow but as long as they hold out and refuse any peace offer, no one can outlast them there; NATO will bleed dry if they try. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are within America's control or in America's right to change. Never allow your enemies to make a deal with you over what is yours. "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" is something we press our adversaries to, never something we let happen to ourselves. There is no deal; we fight to wrest it from the enemy, and we use this fight to light a fire in our hearts to be better than them once and for all, something we would not have achieved if our goals were just given to us.
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From a moral standpoint they have nothing on Taiwan, but hey Ukraine can say the same about Russia for the Donbass too. On the actual ground, US has developed an advanced threat against Chinese territory, with its own insurgent army ready to spearhead a full scale US invasion. So US has a de facto beginning part scale invasion, and therefore can also surrender the threat/retreat by negotiation.

It's realpolitik and of course China wouldn't stop at just rolling back the US threat in Taiwan. It is just the first step.
manqiangrexue said:
Greenland is also not in our control or our right to decide.
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Not in our direct control but we can mess up US a lot by starting a conflict somewhere else, making it impossible to annex Greenland.
manqiangrexue said:
I quite frankly think this is all old man bullshit rambling. But if it does move in that direction because either the people in Denmark or Greenland couldn't hold steady under threat, China's not in any place to prevent it. Nor is it that important. Greenland has a population of 56k despite being the size of a continent for a reason: it's completely useless.
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I've never said it's not useless, which is exactly why it's an acceptable bargaining chip. It's not too high value to let US have it.
 
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Almond98

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pmc said:
when Arabs become idiots?
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You know why those people are idiot? Because they waste money on trying to build the tallest skyscraper or fancy buildings instead of heavily investing on tech and science. Let me remind you Iran which is heavily sanctioned country was able to sent a satellite into space. While countries like Saudi and UAE needs western assistance to build space capability. Not only that Arabs rely on American security to protect their country. The same country who is destroying other nations in middle east. Look at what Israel have done to Gaza. Where is so called "Arab league"? The only thing u guys have done is condemn it, which I also can do it. If Israel and America able to achieve their plan by destroying Iran and their proxy alliance then I can assure you, their next target would be those idiot Arab nations.
 
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taxiya

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RedBaron said:
The way I see it, US can obtain Greenland in two ways: a) annexation, or b) buying it after Greenland separates from Denmark (highly likely) assuming Greenlanders want Greenland to become a US state

How could China prevent US from expanding in both scenarios ? Is there even a ground for Chinese response in the 2nd scenario where Greenlanders willingly become American ?
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Who is to prove what Greenlanders really want? What people want can and is often manufactured by very few, and that manufacturing goes both ways so long as there is a desire to do so.
 
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Gaza genocide supporter, American actor James Woods breaks down on TV after losing home in LA wildfire
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Korean investor-podcaster claims if you are a Semite, you can walk into any bank in America and get a bank loan without interest.
..and claimed later to receive hate and threats by lawyers and investors for touching this subject. Also, called anti-semite.


Ringsword said:
I have a feeling that the entire Korean war 2.0 UN/11+ countries led by the USA will attack China if TW reunification occurs BUT I hope China demonstrates the ability to smash their heads so,the likes of Can,UK, Turkiye,Greece ,thailand,australia, will think twice,no three times before entertaining the thought of attacking China ever again.
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I heard in war time Korean armed forces report directly to a US general, including during the recent martial law.

Almond98 said:
You know why those people are idiot? Because they waste money on trying to build the tallest skyscraper or fancy buildings instead of heavily investing on tech and science. Let me remind you Iran which is heavily sanctioned country was able to sent a satellite into space. While countries like Saudi and UAE needs western assistance to build space capability. Not only that Arabs rely on American security to protect their country. The same country who is destroying other nations in middle east. Look at what Israel have done to Gaza. Where is so called "Arab league"? The only thing u guys have done is condemn it, which I also can do it. If Israel and America able to achieve their plan by destroying Iran and their proxy alliance then I can assure you, their next target would be those idiot Arab nations.
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Wait til you see what Egypt did. They bought
220 F-16
54 Rafales
18 Mirage 2000
45 F-4
..all without BVR AAM (except the 50km AIM-7).
Despite this restriction, Egypt plans to procure additional F-15's.. again, without BVR. In fact, this was SOP of all Arabs until very recently when Qatar and KSA acquired the AIM-120C.
 
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