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Ringsword

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So now even the intelligence apparatus has been infiltrated by Indians in broad day light for crying out loud, they are about to have have cow piss/shit for brains if they didn’t already have that already given how often they seem to fail
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Unlike Trump's first term where he had qualified people like Rex Tillerson ,Christopher Miller,John Ratcliffe and even yes.. Mike Pompeo-now his cabinet is filled with incompetent,obsequious yes men and sycophants-something indians are exceedingly good at.It won't be good for the USA.Unfortunately Trump is a classic malignant narcissus personality and likes to surround himself with people who basically worship/flatter him-indians basically and Trump is threatened by anyone who is smarter,more capable more accomplished-not very mature nor fitting for a good leader-just ask his former wife Ivana and others.
 
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Ringsword said:
Unlike Trump's first term where he had qualified people like Rex Tillerson ,Christopher Miller,John Ratcliffe and even yes.. Mike Pompeo-now his cabinet is filled with incompetent,obsequious yes men and sycophants-something indians are exceedingly good at.It won't be good for the USA.Unfortunately Trump is a classic malignant narcissus personality and likes to surround himself with people who basically worship/flatter him-indians basically and Trump is threatened by anyone who is smarter,more capable more accomplished-not very mature nor fitting for a good leader-just ask his former wife Ivana and others.
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I actually think that's why anyone capable around him soon becomes disliked and a target for him, or eventually leaves themselves. A malignant narcissist cannot stand not being the center of attention. I think that's why he disliked Dr. Fauci during the pandemic because the media focus was on him rather than Trump, so Trump tried to make himself relevant by talking about bleach.

A malignant narcissist also cannot tolerate advice contrary to their own thoughts and opinions and Trump also has an oppositional streak. If he receives such advice, he is likely to do the opposite just out of spite and to exert his control and power.

A good leader knows how to make use of talents and listen to advice. I am reminded of Han Gaozu aka Liu Bang and how he triumphed in the end over Xiang Yu precisely because of this.
 
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Iracundus said:
I actually think that's why anyone capable around him soon becomes disliked and a target for him, or eventually leaves themselves. A malignant narcissist cannot stand not being the center of attention. I think that's why he disliked Dr. Fauci during the pandemic because the media focus was on him rather than Trump, so Trump tried to make himself relevant by talking about bleach.

A malignant narcissist also cannot tolerate advice contrary to their own thoughts and opinions and Trump also has an oppositional streak. If he receives such advice, he is likely to do the opposite just out of spite and to exert his control and power.

A good leader knows how to make use of talents and listen to advice. I am reminded of Han Gaozu aka Liu Bang and how he triumphed in the end over Xiang Yu precisely because of this.
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That's how Trump ended up selecting JSOC Gen. Mark Milley (ret.) over the objection of his then SECDEF Jim Mattis. He (Trump) selected Milley to spite Mattis and since in his indominable expertise on pretty much anything, Milley fit the central casting of what an Army General should look like.

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Mattis’s candidate to succeed Dunford was David Goldfein, an Air Force general and a former F-16 fighter pilot who had been shot down in the Balkans and successfully evaded capture. No one could remember a President selecting a chairman over the objections of his Defense Secretary, but word came back to the Pentagon that there was no way Trump would accept just one recommendation. Two obvious contenders from the Army, however, declined to be considered: General Curtis Scaparrotti, the NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, told fellow-officers that there was “no gas left in my tank” to deal with being Trump’s chairman. General Joseph Votel, the Central Command chief, also begged off, telling a colleague he was not a good fit to work so closely with Mattis.
 
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That's how Trump ended up selecting JSOC Gen. Mark Milley (ret.) over the objection of his then SECDEF Jim Mattis. He (Trump) selected Milley to spite Mattis and since in his indominable expertise on pretty much anything, Milley fit the central casting of what an Army General should look like.

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And look what happened to Gen.Milley...after his call to his PLA counterpart to reassure him that NO legitimate American hostile-act-of-war was initiated by the USA-Milley was castigated by Trump who later quasi-threatened his life *should be sh*t-by some MAGA patriot*-it all turns to shit-and now Hegseth of all people and all other ass-kissers-reminds me of the Chinese late dynasty terminal decline where the fawning eunuchs/corrupt official have the ear of the emperor/princelin/dowager
 
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That's how Trump ended up selecting JSOC Gen. Mark Milley (ret.) over the objection of his then SECDEF Jim Mattis. He (Trump) selected Milley to spite Mattis and since in his indominable expertise on pretty much anything, Milley fit the central casting of what an Army General should look like.

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Mattis’s candidate to succeed Dunford was David Goldfein, an Air Force general and a former F-16 fighter pilot who had been shot down in the Balkans and successfully evaded capture. No one could remember a President selecting a chairman over the objections of his Defense Secretary, but word came back to the Pentagon that there was no way Trump would accept just one recommendation. Two obvious contenders from the Army, however, declined to be considered: General Curtis Scaparrotti, the NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, told fellow-officers that there was “no gas left in my tank” to deal with being Trump’s chairman. General Joseph Votel, the Central Command chief, also begged off, telling a colleague he was not a good fit to work so closely with Mattis.
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Another juicy tidbits from the link I posted: Milley hates Mattis just as much as he (Mattis) hates Milley

Milley had already demonstrated those qualities in meetings with Trump as the Army chief of staff. “Milley would go right at why it’s important for the President to know this about the Army and why the Army is the service that wins all the nation’s wars. He had all those sort of elevator-speech punch lines,” a senior defense official recalled. “He would have that big bellowing voice and be right in his face with all the one-liners, and then he would take a breath and he would say, ‘Mr. President, our Army is here to serve you. Because you’re the Commander-in-Chief.’ It was a very different approach, and Trump liked that.” And, like Trump, Milley was not a subscriber to the legend of Mad Dog Mattis, whom he considered a “complete control freak.”

Mattis, for his part, seemed to believe that Milley was inappropriately campaigning for the job, and Milley recalled to others that Mattis confronted him at a reception that fall, saying, “Hey, you shouldn’t run for office. You shouldn’t run to be the chairman.” Milley later told people that he had replied sharply to Mattis, “I’m not lobbying for any fucking thing. I don’t do that.” Milley eventually raised the issue with Dunford. “Hey, Mattis has got this in his head,” Milley told him. “I’m telling you it ain’t me.” Milley even claimed that he had begged Urban to cease promoting his candidacy. In November, 2018, the day before Milley was scheduled for an interview with Trump, he and Mattis had another barbed encounter at the Pentagon.

In Milley’s recounting of the episode later to others, Mattis urged him to tell Trump that he wanted to be the next Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, rather than the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Milley said he would not do that but would instead wait to hear what the President wanted him to do. This would end whatever relationship the two generals had. When Milley arrived at the White House the next day, he was received by Kelly, who seemed to him unusually distraught. Before they headed into the Oval Office to meet with Trump, Milley asked Kelly what he thought. “You should go to Europe and just get the fuck out of D.C.,” Kelly said. The White House was a cesspool: “Just get as far away as you can.” In the Oval Office, Trump said right from the start that he was considering Milley for chairman of the Joint Chiefs. When Trump offered him the job, Milley replied, “Mr. President, I’ll do whatever you ask me to do.”

Trump does not want to be outshined; the man must be related to Benito Mussolini.

For the next hour, they talked about the state of the world. Immediately, there were points of profound disagreement. On Afghanistan, Milley said he believed that a complete withdrawal of American troops, as Trump wanted, would cause a serious new set of problems. And Milley had already spoken out publicly against the banning of transgender troops, which Trump was insisting on. “Mattis tells me you are weak on transgender,” Trump said. “No, I am not weak on transgender,” Milley replied. “I just don’t care who sleeps with who.”

For the next hour, they talked about the state of the world. Immediately, there were points of profound disagreement. On Afghanistan, Milley said he believed that a complete withdrawal of American troops, as Trump wanted, would cause a serious new set of problems. And Milley had already spoken out publicly against the banning of transgender troops, which Trump was insisting on. “Mattis tells me you are weak on transgender,” Trump said. “No, I am not weak on transgender,” Milley replied. “I just don’t care who sleeps with who.” There were other differences as well, but in the end Milley assured him, “Mr. President, you’re going to be making the decisions. All I can guarantee from me is I’m going to give you an honest answer, and I’m 5-4 not going to talk about it on the front page of the Washington Post. I’ll give you an honest answer on everything I can. And you’re going to make the decisions, and as long as they’re legal I’ll support it.”

As long as they’re legal. It was not clear how much that caveat even registered with Trump. The decision to name Milley was a rare chance, as Trump saw it, to get back at Mattis. Trump would confirm this years later, after falling out with both men, saying that he had picked Milley only because Mattis “could not stand him, had no respect for him, and would not recommend him.”

BRING OUT THE POPCOR BOYS AND GIRLS!! This next Trump term is going to be another BANGER!!!
 
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