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gelgoog

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I can't find better articles now because of the current news cycle, but I believe some of the ex-USSR nuclear warheads were being shipped to North America for disposal. I remember an old hand talking about this project
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You are totally misunderstanding what happened there. Soviet nuclear weapons in Ukraine and Kazakhstan were sent to Russia for dismantling. This was done under the presence of weapons inspectors of the US. What this talks about is how the Russians then disassembled the warheads, at the Mayak site in Russia, and used the materials to make fuel for nuclear reactors that was then sold to the West.

That article specifically talks about some experimental use of weapons plutonium to make MOX fuel that would be burned in Canada. But most (if not all) of the plutonium was kept in Russia. They were supposed to make their own MOX fuel facility and burn their own plutonium themselves in civilian nuclear reactors. But when Obama stopped the construction of a similar facility in the US that would burn the US plutonium, then Putin put the kibosh on that. So the Russian plutonium was never burned. Neither was the US one.

What the Russians did end up selling to the West was their enriched uranium in the nukes downblended to make nuclear reactor fuel. But unlike the case of the plutonium Russia can easily make more if they want. The Russians have half the world's uranium enrichment capacity.
 

A potato

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Americans openly discussing giving nukes to Ukraine or Taiwan, without going through the pretense of self development, just goes to show the amount of mental capacity inside their decision making circles.
Well it's not surprised because one of two (Taiwan) has even lower mental capacity
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Index

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Because you keep thinking about this from the legality perspective instead of the political or geopolitical perspective. If the US can successfully threaten Russia with 5500 nuclear warheads into an unconditional surrender. Do you think they won’t try that again on China with 500 nuclear warheads. “We called the Russians bluff. There is nothing to fear about the bluff from the paper mache dragon.” is going to be the China hawk thinking.
You don't fight with the 3000 air drop nukes collecting dust in warehouses, you fight firstly with planes, missiles and ships.

Even in nuclear war, US and Russia alike will nearly fully rely on their ~750-500 missiles on high alert, no different than how China would. Declaring how many nukes you have sitting as gravity bombs in warehouses without survivable launch platforms is not something that gives Russia or US any edge in geopolitical standing over China, it's just something they forced eachother to do artificially in treaties.

On the other hand, US and China's much stronger air, navy and conventional missile forces is something that gives them an edge in standing over Russia.

Russia will never go into surrender without first emptying all of their allies stockpiles anyways. At worst, they'll peace out with only the Donbass by threatening/using nukes. They already threw what everyone believed was an ICBM at Ukraine and there were no consequences.
The idea of washing your hand of nuclear consequence by giving nukes to a 2nd party is like a 5 year old trying to hide under the bed with his leg sticking out. It just means Taiwan getting destroyed before receiving a single one, and even if they do get their hand on one, using it just means America gets nuked in return.

There is a proper way to do this, the key is to not connect yourself to another's nuclear program, just look at North Korea and Iran, both are developing their own nukes and both China and Russia officially oppose them. Could North Korea really develop all the stuff themselves without external help, probably not, but the probability is not high enough start a nuclear exchange with Russia over.

Americans openly discussing giving nukes to Ukraine or Taiwan, without going through the pretense of self development, just goes to show the amount of mental capacity inside their decision making circles.
NK is really really good for that reason, they're a smurf account nobody can credibly tie back to China, like how US would wish Israel was.

Something China always insist on is that only China and US can have nukes in Asia. NK is the perfect enforcer of that, because they can first strike SK or Japan in the event they were close to creating a nuke and launch platform. Their reputation as a wildcard means they can get away without problem. Prior to nuclearizing NK, China had to always threaten mutual annihilation with US, leaving us with little options to control escalation options. NK fixes everything in that regard, and they're even going to take an active role in providing low end conventional security in the near future.
 

supersnoop

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Well it's not surprised because one of two (Taiwan) has even lower mental capacity
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The fact that the person accepts that Taiwan is ROC and ROC is Chinese is already a step up from the super insane that say Taiwan is Japanese/Aboriginal/Dutch culture
 

vincent

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Where will the US launch those drones from? Cheap = short range, Expensive = long range. If the drones are cheap, the drone base has to be near by where PLA can hit them before launch. If the drones are expensive, how many can the US afford to build? Definitely not thousands.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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That means guys at top believe Japanese has a good chance of being influenced. Optimistic view but plausible.

Wang Yi is a fluent Japanese speaker and worked at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo for years. He knows Japan, though maybe a little too friendly towards them and with too much fond memory of their boom years.
 

coolgod

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