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Temstar

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Trump being President has automatically turned a thriving economy into a struggling one.
The thing is I don't see anyone offer any solution to this. Okay so Dem lost the election probably because economy is bad and people are feeling the effects of inflation degrading their standard of life. Trump's solution is 20% tariff on the world and 60% against China, and then crack down on illegal immigration, all of which has the effect of boosting inflation even further, so where's the beef?

I'm curious on Musk's proposal for shock theory on the economy and cut 2 trillion dollars off the federal budget, that's going to be a wacky deal if it gets carried out. NASA? Why do we need NASA for outsource all space exploration to Space X. It's crazy enough that it might work assuming you don't destroy the country Milei style first.

Normally you con other countries into carrying out shock theory on their economy so you can harvest them. It's quite the thing to go for shock theory on yourself.
 

iewgnem

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There is a growing understanding in the West that the US needs Russia to contain China and that the Biden administration bet against this and lost badly. China also understands that it needs Russia and its vast resources and territory to protect itself from the West.

Therefore this is the perfect scenario for Russia to take advantage of the competition between China and the US. Russia plays its own game and does not trust any side, but will momentarily ally with whoever offers the most long-term advantages.

Russia has become an important swing state in the world and will receive a lot of attention from all sides.
Yeah I don't think you can equate a country that's literally flying nuclear patrols together with Russia, and backed Russia's entire war effort, with countries that literally sent weapons to kill Russian people, armed terrorist attacks against Russians, and targeted Russians for just speaking their language.

Nobody like the west, nobody secret like the west and nobody openly like the west. There are no undecided voters, the attempt by the west to switch between one and the other just means everyone hates them.
 

siegecrossbow

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The thing is I don't see anyone offer any solution to this. Okay so Dem lost the election probably because economy is bad and people are feeling the effects of inflation degrading their standard of life. Trump's solution is 20% tariff on the world and 60% against China, and then crack down on illegal immigration, all of which has the effect of boosting inflation even further, so where's the beef?

I'm curious on Musk's proposal for shock theory on the economy and cut 2 trillion dollars off the federal budget, that's going to be a wacky deal if it gets carried out. NASA? Why do we need NASA for outsource all space exploration to Space X. It's crazy enough that it might work assuming you don't destroy the country Milei style first.

Normally you con other countries into carrying out shock theory on their economy so you can harvest them. It's quite the thing to go for shock theory on yourself.

That’s just cannibalizing what’s left of the country though…
 

Temstar

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That’s just cannibalizing what’s left of the country though…
Right but that's crazy enough that it might work. That's the USA vs USB theory - you hollow out what's left of USA and put that into USB (or if you prefer,
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), then you let USA fall and wipe out all that debit with it and from the ashes USB can arise.

Trump and Musk get something that money can't buy - they go from new money in USA to oldest of old money in NUSA. Trump is the first president and Founding Father of NUSA and Musk is the CEO of the semi-nationalized megacorp that's the standard bearer for NUSA.
 
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coolgod

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The thing is I don't see anyone offer any solution to this. Okay so Dem lost the election probably because economy is bad and people are feeling the effects of inflation degrading their standard of life. Trump's solution is 20% tariff on the world and 60% against China, and then crack down on illegal immigration, all of which has the effect of boosting inflation even further, so where's the beef?

I'm curious on Musk's proposal for shock theory on the economy and cut 2 trillion dollars off the federal budget, that's going to be a wacky deal if it gets carried out. NASA? Why do we need NASA for outsource all space exploration to Space X. It's crazy enough that it might work assuming you don't destroy the country Milei style first.

Normally you con other countries into carrying out shock theory on their economy so you can harvest them. It's quite the thing to go for shock theory on yourself.
If the US sacrifice their allies, they can still prosper for a few more years. Forcefully relocate TSMC, European Auto/Chem manufacturers, into US and tariff the rest. Demand billions in protection money then use it to provide government subsidies for domestic consumption.

Right now people in vassals countries, Japan, South Korea, Europe are still living too comfortable, they can be shaken down some more.
 
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fatzergling

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If the US sacrifice their allies, they can still prosper for a few more years. Forcefully relocate TSMC, European Auto/Chem manufacturers, into US, tariff the rest. Demand billions in protection money then use it to provide government subsidies for domestic consumption.
The US prints money, trades the money for goods, and gets the money back via "protection money". It's the perfect racket!
 

coolgod

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The US prints money, trades the money for goods, and gets the money back via "protection money". It's the perfect racket!
See this recent interview by Trump
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Trump gave this interview three weeks ago at the Economic Club of Chicago, it has some really great moments on how he'll tariff allies.

In a sense that's what the Petrodollar is about.
 

quim

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No, that's actually not how it works. Russia and China are close strategic partners and both understand that they need the other for their long term security. Russia isn't Turkey or India trying to eat at every table.

Even if the Trump people made overtures to Russia, a Dem or Repub-classic administration could come into office in four years and undo everything; America is structurally untrustworthy. Russia would pocket whatever concessions America gave and then go on its merry way doing exactly as it was doing before.
I merely reported the new conclusion rising in the West among those trying to understand Trump's much better-than-expected victory.

It is quite obvious to us, but only now they have begun to understand that it was a mistake to provoke Russia over Ukraine and strategically unite Putin and Xi Jinping. Previously only a niche group linked to Tucker Carlson talked about it, but now the issue has become more widespread.

They firmly believe that the Democrats' humiliating defeat is enough of an excuse to restart relations and forget what Clinton, Biden and Obama did against Russia with the expansion of NATO. They remain arrogant, but this would be already a turning point.

Of course, Russia will not believe in this “regret” or abandon China, but the russians will certainly fuel the US’s incipient effort to restore relations and take advantage of them. China, knowing that the US is beginning to understand the reality of a multipolar world, will also not stop paying attention to Russia beyond what it has already paid since sanctions and Western sponsorship over the Ukraine debacle.

This new dynamic will be much better for the Russian economy.

It's the US that thinks Russia is a swing state now, and much more important than India and Türkiye.

Before they thought they could easily defeat Russia and then set their sights on defeating China, basically the thinking of the Clinton administration 30 years ago. Today the Democrats lost badly in the face of a new world.

Biden promised to reduce Russia's economy to ashes, but it was his party that was burned much earlier, after all the wars they fueled and were unable to control.
 
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