How do we know that the Western block will just dissolve.
They elected Trump once already.
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How do we know that the Western block will just dissolve.
They elected Trump once already.
One more half ass thought about Game Theory, or maybe it is a full ass thought? I don't know.
The Americans are control freaks.
They like the Game Theory ass. Like how it looks, how it feels, how it smells.
The Americans with Game Theory is trying to replace the Fog of War.
So, who are you going to believe?
Cluaswizch was Chairman Mao favourite military writer, according to legend.
I'll just quote the relevant parts of the latest posts WRT Huludao from both for reply.
#1 - Here's a rough illustration on the construction bays for nuclear submarines at Huludao's newly-built eastern section:
As shown, there are:
- 12 construction bays at the upper FAH (final assembly hall), with 6 production lines arranged in parallel, and
- 8 construction bays at the lower FAH, with 4 production lines arranged in parallel.
The bays at the lower FAH is also wider than those in the upper FAH, indicating that those bays are able to build both SSNs and SSBNs.
#2 - Honestly, I don't see how the prospect where all of the 20 construction bays are to be solely utilized for new boat construction is realistic, given that:
- More SSNs and SSBNs will eventually get older and in need of deeper degrees of repair and maintenance into the future years, which are largely to be done inside the FAHs;
- Depending on the fuel enrichment of the nuclear reactors for Chinese SSNs and SSBNs, they will require refueling and overhaul (ROH), which, again, can only be done inside the FAHs. And the lower degree of enrichment of the reactor fuel, the more frequent those SSNs and SSBNs would have to be ROH-ed.
With the above consideration in mind, assuming that:
- The entirety of the western, older section of Huludao (which has 4 bays) is completely disregarded for hypothetical upgrading or decommissioning works;
- Half of the production lines in the upper FAH (3 lines, i.e. 6 bays) are occupied for maintenance and ROH works; and
- Half of the production lines in the lower FAH (2 lines, i.e. 4 bays) are occupied for maintenance and ROH works -
That means Huludao would have:
- 3 lines i.e. 6 bays for new SSN construction + 2 lines, i.e. 4 bays for new SSBN construction simultaneously; or
- 4 lines i.e. 8 bats for new SSN construction + 1 line, i.e. 2 bays for new SSBN construction simultaneously.
Assuming that one line is able to produce one boat per year, that would translate to an annual production capacity of 3x SSNs + 2x SSBNs per year, or 4x SSNs + 1x SSBN per year from Huludao.
(The latter option would be more realistic, IMHO.)
Of course, realistically speaking, there may be fewer lines and bays at the eastern section in Huludao that would be utilized for maintenance and refueling works than what's being listed above (alongside taking the western section of Huludao into account), so the potential (not fully utilized!) annual construction rate of SSNs and SSBNs could be slightly higher.
But then, neither myself nor any of my known associates are working in Huludao.
#3 - Newer and next-gen SSNs do grow bigger and displaces more than previous-generation SSNs, as they become increasingly more versatile and capable.
However, there is a certain celling to that growth - Making SSNs to be as big as SSBNs will result in degraded on speed, maneuverability and agility - All of which are inherent characteristics which very much define the nature of SSNs. There is only so much power that the nuclear reactor onboard the SSN can provide, too.
Hence, submerged displacement of ~10000±1000-1500 tons should be the upper limit to how large and heavy PLAN next-gen SSNs should be. There's also the angle of costs to speak of - And for the PLAN with aims to deeper and farther into the "true blues" of the IndoPac, many SSNs are definitely required, meaning that they cannot be too expensive to build, operate and maintain.
If anything, designs akin to those underwater baguettes (namely Block 5 Virginias) are to be explicitly avoided for SSNs. Even the Russians are scaling down their next-gen 545s to 11300 tons from the 885/M's 13800 tons (and the 949A/AM's staggering 16500 tons) for the aforementioned reasons.
#4 - SSBNs, by-nature, have significantly larger hull sizes and displacements than the SSNs in order to carry 12-16x large-sized SL-ICBMs for extended durations of their deterrence patrol missions. This actually provides the potential for newer, non-SSBN variants to be conceived based on the presently-available SSBN hulls.
Several options can be applied onto an SSBN hull design:
- Special nuclear weaponry delivery platforms (ala 09851s, which carries Poseidon nuclear torpedoes); and/or
- Special undersea mission platforms (ala Jimmy Carter and Belgorod, which carries ROVs, UUVs and even AUVs); and/or
- SSGNs (ala the first 4 Ohios).
Hence, I don't think China should stop the construction of SSBNs, once the required number of 096 SSBNs are built to complement before replacing the older 094/As. There are more avenues and options to consider WRT the application of SSBN hulls, going forward.
#5 - We all know that the PLAN has recently announced the goal of having a subsurface fleet which consists of both conventional and nuclear-powered submarines, with greater focus on the latter. Though, depending on how the PLAN classifies the SSKNs (i.e. whether as conventionally-powered submarine but with nuclear AIP, or nuclear-powered submarine), the calculations can vary.
Speaking of the desired size of PLAN's submarine fleet size:
- SSBN: Depending on China's nuclear arsenal requirements, though a fleet of ~12 SSBNs should suffice.
- SSN: A slightly bigger fleet (~10-20% more) than the USN's planned future SSN fleet should suffice, given the scope and opposition that China is expected to be facing with in the IndoPac theater.
(For note: The USN plans to have 70-80 SSNs in operation by the mid-2040s and 2050s.)
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Is Elon in his Mr. Beast phase?
I can't find the article anymore, but I think there was an article published after Jack Ma's downfall about how China has made it so that they will never have a CEO or entrepeneur on the same status as Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg. Fast forward to today I think the consensus is, thank christ they don't.
So they chosen to get tracked down and bombed at a time of Chinas choosing, preferably when the USA is in the middle of a civil war and Middle East crisis plus a losing war in Ukraine brought about by the stupidity of their own making, they seriously think they have an diplomatic immunity from getting bombed the fook out of existence. Do these stupid morons think soldiers grow on trees when they can easily see that the general fate for a US soldier is to die homeless on the street after deployment. Really, now I am looking forward to the last days of this seal 6 team because the only way to deal with these scum is to just a jack hammer on them, it’s literally the only language they understand since their intelligence is that small
I dunno man, if comrade Trump loses the election, we might see Elon Musk immigrate to China. According to rumors he's already got a Chinese green card and a luxury property in Beijing.
Only way for Trump to lose is 1) if the Dems finally hire a competent hitman or 2) stuff the ballots with illegals or dead people.