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E100

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In my opinion the current "passivity" of China is more or less simple inertia from the previous few decades of Chinese policy (The bide your time thing). It takes a fair bit of time for these things to change especially for a large organisation. I think that after a few years foreign policy will be a bit more active, and people will start demanding a more active approach than reactive.
 

montyp165

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I think a lot of the worry stems from our own personal observations about the obsequious nature of many Chinese when it comes to dealing with foreigners and especially white westerners. From diaspora Chinese to China's economic "elite" and even to modern China's founding leaders like Sun Yat-sen, there is always the worry that many Chinese will sell their fellow kind down the river either to curry favor with foreigners or just due to fear and passivity.
A society's response to natural disasters is a very strong indicator of the functional coherence of that society, of which the US's responses to Hurricane Katrina and subsequent disasters already foretold their actual state of being. Conversely, Chinese response to the Wenchuan quake of 2008 and later issues cleared any doubts I've had about Chinese coherence, persistance and perseverance against disasters and conflicts and overcoming them, which is what Sun Yat-Sen always wanted in the first place.
 

doggydogdo

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Sure they have rare earth deposits, but do they have the ability to extract and process them at scale? I'm going to use gallium, not a rare earth but still an element that China controls the bottleneck for, as an example. It is produced as a byproduct from refining aluminum. Do you know what infrastructure is required to produce gallium at the scale China does? A dedicated power grid with the capacity of the entire US power grid. Good fucking luck building such infrastructure in the EU or the US.
Dude, the west isn't fucking stupid nor weak, Canada and the US are really rich in energy. Just because they can't compete on cost/scale doesn't mean they can't do it.

My family went from peasants to lawyers, judges, university professors, factory owners, executives for internationals in the span of a single generation. So yes, I don't think they were particularly suffering in the last 10 years. Goddamnit, when my direct family immigrated to Canada, it probably killed our odds of upwards mobility. My parents sure as hell are the black sheep compared to their siblings.
What's your point here? that its easier to be successful in China than Canada?
 

Chevalier

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No.

1. This requires a ratio of 4-6 females per male. It is not possible, so all the females have to shift around between 4-6 husbands too.
2. If there is an STD, it will completely ravage a society.
3. There is total breakdown of family values and children are raised with no sense of responsibility to society or family. They do not develop careers but do whatever they need to do to fuck more women, have more kids and brag. These people will laugh and joke all day admitting how stupid and useless they are at everything but will be seriously offended if there is a comparison of who fucked more women.
4. This man has no job. He lives off of these womens' salaries. None of them look like they do anything worth a shit either because nobody with any self-respect would be involved in this. Would you want your daughter to be with this kind of person? We do not need a large population of useless people. We need career-oriented people to speartip the tech war.

In short, this is a classic overcorrection to the current situation that will totally destroy China's challenge to the Western order.
Not to mention, eventually such an Inequality of sexual access for young males, leads to violent societies. You can see this right now with the Incel phenomenon and political movement in the U.S. today, They are but a revolution away from the modern day version of the rape of the Sabine women.
 

TPenglake

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One can argue that the submissive messaging makes traitors and saboteurs a self-fulfilling prophecy. Why should Chinese support their country if all it does is bend over backwards for foreign powers? Why are the rich still parking their wealth overseas, sending their kids abroad?
I saw a discussion about the presidential election, and how Biden was emphasizing the fact he made NATO relevant on the world stage again and also strengthened America's alliances in East Asia. Their point was that he was being incredibly tone deaf since in reality, unless its a conflagoration taking place right on the border your average Joe Shmoe on the street hardly cares about foreign policy and is more focused on the core concerns of, inflation being brought under control, affordable housing, crime, and decent paying jobs. Needless to say, I'm sure most average Chinese joe schmoes are of that mindset and more inclined to judge the CPC on its ability to improve their quality of life rather than sticking it to the West on foreign policy issues that have no immediate effect on their daily lives.

As for your next sentence about rich sending kids abroad, it ties into this point you make right here.
Not to mention, low internal spending indicates low confidence in China's market from Chinese people. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows in China either.
Precisely, the Chinese economy has seen better days. China is sharing in the current global economic downturn due to the fallout from the pandemic and wars raging right now, but it is also in phase of economic transition which is for sure hurting lots of people but necessary to ensure the nation's future competitiveness. Emphasis on painful, but necessary, because I want to address this point next.
I know. That is why I support China going all-in on supporting Russia against Ukraine. Between sending Azov to HK in 2019, and their meetings with Taiwan offering support to the separatist government, China has plenty of reason to drop the hammer on them.

EDIT: To clarify, I hope that Ukraine is truly stupid enough to get China to abandon its dovish stance. The US and EU will shit bricks if China threw her entire industrial might behind Russia. What are they gonna do? Sanction China?
I see online, lots of people in the anti-West camp are pointing the figure at China and criticizing it for seemingly sitting out of the current global conflicts and just offering the same foreign ministry talking points about de-escalation. I know this is a bitter pill for hardliners to swallow, but China absolutely can't afford to pick a side. For all the championing of the global south's struggles and China's own rhetoric on the global south, the cold reality is China has no obligation other than to the well-being of the Chinese people. Yes, there is mudslinging and tariffs, but commerece between China and the US, EU, Japan still amounts to 1.5 trillion dollars. There is no reality where China can simply sacrifice that market completely and replace with the global south. After all, when China made the first revisions to its visa policy this year and allowed visa free travel from up to 50 nations, notice how the majority of those nations were EU countries? Sure, such drastic decoupling would hurt the US and its allies, but China's chances of being stuck in the middle income trap would jump exponentially as well.

Plus, say China were to drop its neutrality stance on Iran and provide it with weapons and military training, how would a country like Morocco, which is a member of BRI but has really antagonistic relations with Iran, react to such a development? Never that simple is it?

You see, China is still a middle income economy and has to play this delicate game of balancing its relations in order to extract results from all parties.

So rather than chest beating like this
I hate the submissive tone the Chinese gov always uses in these statements. It makes them sound like a Joshua Wong-looking Asian nerd in high school trying to befriend the white jocks.
Understand that in a world where countries are increasingly divided into black and white camps, Chinese diplomats still have the burden of treating the whole world as a gray area, some areas perhaps shades darker than others, but still nonetheless places they must deal with adroitly through a calculating lense in order to win the best results for the interests of China. And I repeat, whatever interests you think the CPC should be pursuing, nothing is more paramount than the continued development of the Chinese nation towards developed nation status, even if that means dining with your "enemies" now and then.
 

Randomuser

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I saw a discussion about the presidential election, and how Biden was emphasizing the fact he made NATO relevant on the world stage again and also strengthened America's alliances in East Asia. Their point was that he was being incredibly tone deaf since in reality, unless its a conflagoration taking place right on the border your average Joe Shmoe on the street hardly cares about foreign policy and is more focused on the core concerns of, inflation being brought under control, affordable housing, crime, and decent paying jobs. Needless to say, I'm sure most average Chinese joe schmoes are of that mindset and more inclined to judge the CPC on its ability to improve their quality of life rather than sticking it to the West on foreign policy issues that have no immediate effect on their daily lives.

As for your next sentence about rich sending kids abroad, it ties into this point you make right here.

Precisely, the Chinese economy has seen better days. China is sharing in the current global economic downturn due to the fallout from the pandemic and wars raging right now, but it is also in phase of economic transition which is for sure hurting lots of people but necessary to ensure the nation's future competitiveness. Emphasis on painful, but necessary, because I want to address this point next.

I see online, lots of people in the anti-West camp are pointing the figure at China and criticizing it for seemingly sitting out of the current global conflicts and just offering the same foreign ministry talking points about de-escalation. I know this is a bitter pill for hardliners to swallow, but China absolutely can't afford to pick a side. For all the championing of the global south's struggles and China's own rhetoric on the global south, the cold reality is China has no obligation other than to the well-being of the Chinese people. Yes, there is mudslinging and tariffs, but commerece between China and the US, EU, Japan still amounts to 1.5 trillion dollars. There is no reality where China can simply sacrifice that market completely and replace with the global south. After all, when China made the first revisions to its visa policy this year and allowed visa free travel from up to 50 nations, notice how the majority of those nations were EU countries? Sure, such drastic decoupling would hurt the US and its allies, but China's chances of being stuck in the middle income trap would jump exponentially as well.

Plus, say China were to drop its neutrality stance on Iran and provide it with weapons and military training, how would a country like Morocco, which is a member of BRI but has really antagonistic relations with Iran, react to such a development? Never that simple is it?

You see, China is still a middle income economy and has to play this delicate game of balancing its relations in order to extract results from all parties.

So rather than chest beating like this

Understand that in a world where countries are increasingly divided into black and white camps, Chinese diplomats still have the burden of treating the whole world as a gray area, some areas perhaps shades darker than others, but still nonetheless places they must deal with adroitly through a calculating lense in order to win the best results for the interests of China. And I repeat, whatever interests you think the CPC should be pursuing, nothing is more paramount than the continued development of the Chinese nation towards developed nation status, even if that means dining with your "enemies" now and then.
Maybe I'm getting older but the way I see it is, the tone China takes really looks different if you truly believe it has the confidence to win in the end. Instead of it looking week, its is basically saying take your best shot coz its still not gonna be enough.

Also its kinda annoying how this and that country expect China to be Superman when China hasn't even reached Bruce Wayne in terms of wealth. Which other country acted as a saviour? The west certainly is no saviour since the way it got power was through force and wars. Maybe the USSR? But look at what happened to them in the end. And despite their actions, it seems a lot of people still hated them anyway.
 

Staedler

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Asmongold openly saying that he doesn't care that Palestinians are being genocide and western values is superior.

I don't even know what they mean by western values? Killing children and operating rape camps like Israel does??

There is a reason why western world despite its claims of moral superiority is antithetical to human values.

Because they fail to see non-whites as equals. It's in stark contrast to the Chinese and other non-white people who can see and smell genocide when it happens regardless of the type of people it is being perpetrated against.

A recent polling showed that around 40% of Chinese blame Israel form the conflict, 50% both sides and only 5% openly blame hamas. Only 5%?? Why?? Because unlike westerners, Chinese know that oppressions can lead to desperate acts and often unjustifiable acts. Chinese know it because they've experienced it

The Irish are also an exception among the whites because they've experienced oppression. We saw them resorting to tactics like car bombs against british. It was never conceivable that Irish would resort to these tactics but desperation and oppression made them do it. This is why Irish stand with Palestine.
I mean this is a guy who goes "wHaT aRe We, ChInEsE?" frequently so anyone with a brain should have known he would only profess USG positions.
 
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