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In my opinion the current "passivity" of China is more or less simple inertia from the previous few decades of Chinese policy (The bide your time thing). It takes a fair bit of time for these things to change especially for a large organisation. I think that after a few years foreign policy will be a bit more active, and people will start demanding a more active approach than reactive.

august1 said:

I think a lot of the worry stems from our own personal observations about the obsequious nature of many Chinese when it comes to dealing with foreigners and especially white westerners. From diaspora Chinese to China's economic "elite" and even to modern China's founding leaders like Sun Yat-sen, there is always the worry that many Chinese will sell their fellow kind down the river either to curry favor with foreigners or just due to fear and passivity.

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A society's response to natural disasters is a very strong indicator of the functional coherence of that society, of which the US's responses to Hurricane Katrina and subsequent disasters already foretold their actual state of being. Conversely, Chinese response to the Wenchuan quake of 2008 and later issues cleared any doubts I've had about Chinese coherence, persistance and perseverance against disasters and conflicts and overcoming them, which is what Sun Yat-Sen always wanted in the first place.

GZDRefugee said:

Sure they have rare earth deposits, but do they have the ability to extract and process them at scale? I'm going to use gallium, not a rare earth but still an element that China controls the bottleneck for, as an example. It is produced as a byproduct from refining aluminum. Do you know what infrastructure is required to produce gallium at the scale China does? A dedicated power grid with the capacity of the entire US power grid. Good fucking luck building such infrastructure in the EU or the US.

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Dude, the west isn't fucking stupid nor weak, Canada and the US are really rich in energy. Just because they can't compete on cost/scale doesn't mean they can't do it.

GZDRefugee said:

My family went from peasants to lawyers, judges, university professors, factory owners, executives for internationals in the span of a single generation. So yes, I don't think they were particularly suffering in the last 10 years. Goddamnit, when my direct family immigrated to Canada, it probably killed our odds of upwards mobility. My parents sure as hell are the black sheep compared to their siblings.

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What's your point here? that its easier to be successful in China than Canada?

manqiangrexue said:

No.

1. This requires a ratio of 4-6 females per male. It is not possible, so all the females have to shift around between 4-6 husbands too.
2. If there is an STD, it will completely ravage a society.
3. There is total breakdown of family values and children are raised with no sense of responsibility to society or family. They do not develop careers but do whatever they need to do to fuck more women, have more kids and brag. These people will laugh and joke all day admitting how stupid and useless they are at everything but will be seriously offended if there is a comparison of who fucked more women.
4. This man has no job. He lives off of these womens' salaries. None of them look like they do anything worth a shit either because nobody with any self-respect would be involved in this. Would you want your daughter to be with this kind of person? We do not need a large population of useless people. We need career-oriented people to speartip the tech war.

In short, this is a classic overcorrection to the current situation that will totally destroy China's challenge to the Western order.

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Not to mention, eventually such an Inequality of sexual access for young males, leads to violent societies. You can see this right now with the Incel phenomenon and political movement in the U.S. today, They are but a revolution away from the modern day version of the rape of the Sabine women.

GZDRefugee said:

One can argue that the submissive messaging makes traitors and saboteurs a self-fulfilling prophecy. Why should Chinese support their country if all it does is bend over backwards for foreign powers? Why are the rich still parking their wealth overseas, sending their kids abroad?

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I saw a discussion about the presidential election, and how Biden was emphasizing the fact he made NATO relevant on the world stage again and also strengthened America's alliances in East Asia. Their point was that he was being incredibly tone deaf since in reality, unless its a conflagoration taking place right on the border your average Joe Shmoe on the street hardly cares about foreign policy and is more focused on the core concerns of, inflation being brought under control, affordable housing, crime, and decent paying jobs. Needless to say, I'm sure most average Chinese joe schmoes are of that mindset and more inclined to judge the CPC on its ability to improve their quality of life rather than sticking it to the West on foreign policy issues that have no immediate effect on their daily lives.

As for your next sentence about rich sending kids abroad, it ties into this point you make right here.

GZDRefugee said:

Not to mention, low internal spending indicates low confidence in China's market from Chinese people. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows in China either.

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Precisely, the Chinese economy has seen better days. China is sharing in the current global economic downturn due to the fallout from the pandemic and wars raging right now, but it is also in phase of economic transition which is for sure hurting lots of people but necessary to ensure the nation's future competitiveness. Emphasis on painful, but necessary, because I want to address this point next.

GZDRefugee said:

I know. That is why I support China going all-in on supporting Russia against Ukraine. Between sending Azov to HK in 2019, and their meetings with Taiwan offering support to the separatist government, China has plenty of reason to drop the hammer on them.

EDIT: To clarify, I hope that Ukraine is truly stupid enough to get China to abandon its dovish stance. The US and EU will shit bricks if China threw her entire industrial might behind Russia. What are they gonna do? Sanction China?

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I see online, lots of people in the anti-West camp are pointing the figure at China and criticizing it for seemingly sitting out of the current global conflicts and just offering the same foreign ministry talking points about de-escalation. I know this is a bitter pill for hardliners to swallow, but China absolutely can't afford to pick a side. For all the championing of the global south's struggles and China's own rhetoric on the global south, the cold reality is China has no obligation other than to the well-being of the Chinese people. Yes, there is mudslinging and tariffs, but commerece between China and the US, EU, Japan still amounts to 1.5 trillion dollars. There is no reality where China can simply sacrifice that market completely and replace with the global south. After all, when China made the first revisions to its visa policy this year and allowed visa free travel from up to 50 nations, notice how the majority of those nations were EU countries? Sure, such drastic decoupling would hurt the US and its allies, but China's chances of being stuck in the middle income trap would jump exponentially as well.

Plus, say China were to drop its neutrality stance on Iran and provide it with weapons and military training, how would a country like Morocco, which is a member of BRI but has really antagonistic relations with Iran, react to such a development? Never that simple is it?

You see, China is still a middle income economy and has to play this delicate game of balancing its relations in order to extract results from all parties.

So rather than chest beating like this

august1 said:

I hate the submissive tone the Chinese gov always uses in these statements. It makes them sound like a Joshua Wong-looking Asian nerd in high school trying to befriend the white jocks.

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Understand that in a world where countries are increasingly divided into black and white camps, Chinese diplomats still have the burden of treating the whole world as a gray area, some areas perhaps shades darker than others, but still nonetheless places they must deal with adroitly through a calculating lense in order to win the best results for the interests of China. And I repeat, whatever interests you think the CPC should be pursuing, nothing is more paramount than the continued development of the Chinese nation towards developed nation status, even if that means dining with your "enemies" now and then.

TPenglake said:

I saw a discussion about the presidential election, and how Biden was emphasizing the fact he made NATO relevant on the world stage again and also strengthened America's alliances in East Asia. Their point was that he was being incredibly tone deaf since in reality, unless its a conflagoration taking place right on the border your average Joe Shmoe on the street hardly cares about foreign policy and is more focused on the core concerns of, inflation being brought under control, affordable housing, crime, and decent paying jobs. Needless to say, I'm sure most average Chinese joe schmoes are of that mindset and more inclined to judge the CPC on its ability to improve their quality of life rather than sticking it to the West on foreign policy issues that have no immediate effect on their daily lives.

As for your next sentence about rich sending kids abroad, it ties into this point you make right here.

Precisely, the Chinese economy has seen better days. China is sharing in the current global economic downturn due to the fallout from the pandemic and wars raging right now, but it is also in phase of economic transition which is for sure hurting lots of people but necessary to ensure the nation's future competitiveness. Emphasis on painful, but necessary, because I want to address this point next.

I see online, lots of people in the anti-West camp are pointing the figure at China and criticizing it for seemingly sitting out of the current global conflicts and just offering the same foreign ministry talking points about de-escalation. I know this is a bitter pill for hardliners to swallow, but China absolutely can't afford to pick a side. For all the championing of the global south's struggles and China's own rhetoric on the global south, the cold reality is China has no obligation other than to the well-being of the Chinese people. Yes, there is mudslinging and tariffs, but commerece between China and the US, EU, Japan still amounts to 1.5 trillion dollars. There is no reality where China can simply sacrifice that market completely and replace with the global south. After all, when China made the first revisions to its visa policy this year and allowed visa free travel from up to 50 nations, notice how the majority of those nations were EU countries? Sure, such drastic decoupling would hurt the US and its allies, but China's chances of being stuck in the middle income trap would jump exponentially as well.

Plus, say China were to drop its neutrality stance on Iran and provide it with weapons and military training, how would a country like Morocco, which is a member of BRI but has really antagonistic relations with Iran, react to such a development? Never that simple is it?

You see, China is still a middle income economy and has to play this delicate game of balancing its relations in order to extract results from all parties.

So rather than chest beating like this

Understand that in a world where countries are increasingly divided into black and white camps, Chinese diplomats still have the burden of treating the whole world as a gray area, some areas perhaps shades darker than others, but still nonetheless places they must deal with adroitly through a calculating lense in order to win the best results for the interests of China. And I repeat, whatever interests you think the CPC should be pursuing, nothing is more paramount than the continued development of the Chinese nation towards developed nation status, even if that means dining with your "enemies" now and then.

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Maybe I'm getting older but the way I see it is, the tone China takes really looks different if you truly believe it has the confidence to win in the end. Instead of it looking week, its is basically saying take your best shot coz its still not gonna be enough.

Also its kinda annoying how this and that country expect China to be Superman when China hasn't even reached Bruce Wayne in terms of wealth. Which other country acted as a saviour? The west certainly is no saviour since the way it got power was through force and wars. Maybe the USSR? But look at what happened to them in the end. And despite their actions, it seems a lot of people still hated them anyway.

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Asmongold openly saying that he doesn't care that Palestinians are being genocide and western values is superior.

I don't even know what they mean by western values? Killing children and operating rape camps like Israel does??

There is a reason why western world despite its claims of moral superiority is antithetical to human values.

Because they fail to see non-whites as equals. It's in stark contrast to the Chinese and other non-white people who can see and smell genocide when it happens regardless of the type of people it is being perpetrated against.

A recent polling showed that around 40% of Chinese blame Israel form the conflict, 50% both sides and only 5% openly blame hamas. Only 5%?? Why?? Because unlike westerners, Chinese know that oppressions can lead to desperate acts and often unjustifiable acts. Chinese know it because they've experienced it

The Irish are also an exception among the whites because they've experienced oppression. We saw them resorting to tactics like car bombs against british. It was never conceivable that Irish would resort to these tactics but desperation and oppression made them do it. This is why Irish stand with Palestine.

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I mean this is a guy who goes "wHaT aRe We, ChInEsE?" frequently so anyone with a brain should have known he would only profess USG positions.

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The United States and Canada have worked together to investigate what they say is the Indian government’s campaign against Sikh separatists.

Federal prosecutors have charged a man they identified as an Indian intelligence officer with trying to orchestrate from abroad an assassination on U.S. soil — part of an escalating response from the U.S. and Canada to what those governments see as brazenly illegal conduct by a longtime partner.

An indictment unsealed in Manhattan on Thursday said that the man, Vikash Yadav, “directed the assassination plot from India” that targeted a New York-based critic of the Indian government, a Sikh lawyer and political activist who has urged the Punjab region of India to secede.

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, the general counsel of Sikhs for Justice.
In a statement, Mr. Pannun called the plot to kill him a “blatant case of India’s transnational terrorism which has become a challenge to America’s sovereignty and threat to freedom of speech and democracy.”

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The indictment said that Mr. Yadav called himself a “senior field officer” in the part of the Indian government that includes its foreign intelligence service, known as the Research and Analysis Wing, or RAW.

Authorities say Mr. Yadav recruited an associate to find a U.S.-based criminal to arrange the murder of the Sikh activist. Last year, U.S. prosecutors

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, and said Mr. Gupta had acted under instructions from an unidentified employee of the Indian government. Now, prosecutors have charged Mr. Yadav with orchestrating the plot.

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and five others, saying they were part of a criminal network.

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Get F**ked Modi, this is going to be the next Khashoggi for India.

WhatsApp vigilantes in India are converting Christians by force​

How far-right Hindu nationalists use WhatsApp to target Christian families when they’re most vulnerable — by preventing them from burying their dead.​

GZDRefugee said:

Game theory is simply mathematics, which is pure and free of ideology. It does not matter if a westerner or easterner invented it. You can argue that people and countries are not logical engines that always acts rationally but tit-for-tat is entirely a reactive strategy, the player implementing it will be as rational or irrational as the other player.

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You're wrong. Without psychology, Game Theory cannot create cause and effect. Without cause and effect, the mathematical models break down. Human factor is always the wild card. You can create whatever mathematical or theory, but if the human factor doesn't comply, it doesn't work. China doesn't need nor want follow the Game Theory by the letter. China prefers to use the Art of War.

GZDRefugee said:

Why must one mirror the tariffs? The point of the tariff is to deny access to the market and revenue. An equivalent amount of economic damage can be dealt by hurting their market access and revenue. Consider China's virtual monopoly on various rare earth elements. Ban their export to the US and leverage the bottleneck to cause supply shortage of downstream components. What the hell is Lockheed gonna do when the magnets they need to produce aircraft run out?

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You were angry about the CPC's lack of tit-for-tat measures. You've said you wanted tit-for-tat for the sake of fulfilling your Game Theory. Yet you bring up examples of China doing strategic retaliation. You're starting to argue against yourself.

GZDRefugee said:

These measures are effective though. The reason why EU policymakers are Washington stooges is because they have a cushy job lined up after they leave office. There will be less stooges willing to shill for US imperial interests if there was no golden parachute. Look at Pompeo now, emaciated and working for $80,000 a year at the Hudson Institute. You can take it even further and do what the west did to Carrie Lam. Threaten to ban any bank that takes their money and operates in China. You think JPMorgan would rather have Baerbock's money than do business in China? Leverage capitalist tendencies and make them infight.

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No they are not. There are always ways to go around the sanctions. Pompeo cannot do any business with China, directly or indirectly. You think he cares? His business is with the anti-China lobbies. If they want to somehow do business with China, they can always use proxies for him. What is Pompeo's weight right now doesn't concern me. Maybe he went on a diet plan. Maybe he started working out more with his free time. You really believe that his people will let him starve?

Baerbock won't care about doing business in China. And if JP Morgan still wants to take her money and still do business with China, just appoint a proxy. It's all P&C anyway. Or use other financial schemes to do it. Bankers are specialists at doing this.

GZDRefugee said:

Incredibly passive and reactive policy imo. How long do you expect the west to remain incompetent for? Alarm bells are already going off and things are beginning to move against the current. I advocate for taking proactive measures to create opportunities for exploit in the future. Begin by cleaning house and removing India from BRICS and SCO. If the US can be baited into another endless war far from China, that would be best.

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A competent West won't be throwing tariffs and sanctions around like candy. They will continue with business as usual and continue to sell their high-tech and luxury goods to China. Then China's own high-tech industry will have no incentive to become globally competitive, and the Chinese people will chase ever more extravagant Western luxury goods. This is a surefire way for China to fall into the Middle Income Trap. Which is what the China haters wet dream about. Xi Jinping was working hard to steer China away from that Middle Income Trap with his Made In China 2025 plan. And the trade wars launched by West only made his work that much easier.

GZDRefugee said:

I have family from tier 1 cities to rural villages. Elite business owners to humble farmers. Call them boomers if you wish but they are a good representation of the population and are having a hard time adapting. If you have enough of the population struggling, it naturally erodes trust in the government and domestic markets.

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You have such a big family in China. What cities and provinces did they reside in?

You like to talk alot about the boomers, and no, boomers alone are not a representation of the population. You've brought up that rampant unemployment story. Those were primarily not from the boomer generation, but the post-Covid graduate generation. I'm sensing some inconsistencies here with your Chinese people story.

Again I say that China's golden years of fast growth and free-flowing business have ended, and so is the rest of the world. People complaining about their government when things are down is normal. But is there rampant inflation in China right now? Is there rampant homelessness? Is there rampant drug use? Are there even more beggars everywhere? Is there rampant crime? Do you see new slums popping up? Because it's all there in the West and India, the very folks who launched the trade wars with China. So whenever you think the CPC is not doing enough, think deeper.

You said that the CPC is not doing enough to hit back at the West and India. I said that they are doing it. But not in the most obvious ways, and what they do is more strategic. You applauded China for imposing rare earth and gallium export restrictions on the West. That is an example of them proving my point. So why are you running around telling me that you and your Chinese people are so angry that the CPC didn't do tit-for-tat with the West then? What is your position really? You can't be waffling about just for arguments sake.

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How far-right Hindu nationalists use WhatsApp to target Christian families when they’re most vulnerable — by preventing them from burying their dead.​

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Maybe China really doesn't need to do anything. One of the biggest issues in India is religion. In East Asia people arent big on religion so there isn't much conflict. But the west still to an extent cares about religion and India being in opposition to that will cause conflict.