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Remember that the number of missiles that an SSN can carry is very limited. And then a Chinese SSN would have to return to a port to reload, which will take days or even weeks.
I think the likelihood of solely SSN versus SSN encounters is much lower.
Prior to Patchwork's departure, he mentioned that the PLAN was working on a submarine-launched 3000km hypersonic missile. At this sort of distance, the chance of a SSN versus SSN encounter in the middle of the ocean is really low, given that the upcoming Type-096 should have a noise level comparable to background ocean noise, just like the Virginia SSN. Remember that we had the French and British SSBNs actually colliding, and both sides not realising they actually hit another submarine.
Then if we're talking about Chinese SSNs attacking US naval ships with torpedoes, I would expect some sort of opposing airborne ASW to be present.
Also, talking about prompt global anti-ship strike is a step too far at this point, because you're looking at another level of improvement in terms of terminal targeting at Mach 20? speeds.
A fixed target, such the ship in port should be feasible.
I generally use the US military as a reference for minimum size.
Personally I think the Chinese Navy will be somewhere between 1.3x to 2x larger than the US Navy, roughly speaking. This largely depends on how bad US-China relations become.
I'd go with 6 SSNs annually as an upper estimate, which is roughly 2x the US rate. Eventually you end up with a fleet size of 200-odd SSNs, which is definitely enough.
Can China militarily conquer the Philippines or Japan?
The realistic answer is no, and therefore the 1IC cannot be China's Eastern Great Wall.
But in the future, it is possible that Japan and the Philippines flips from the US to China.
Earlier this year in a podcast, I recall the Economist China correspondent musing that he could see Japan switching allegiance from the US to China. But for this to happen, I think China has to have a blue-water Navy that can wrest control of the Pacific from the US Navy. That would mean a Chinese Navy with a larger carrier fleet.
They are not behind, they are on the same level.
LoL! In my previous comment. I had mentioned this:
These Jai Hinds are just so predictable. Imagine these idiots fighting an actual war. How their enemies would love to fight enemies like them.
When man-children think they have nukes, they start wet dreaming about nuking anyone they don't like. So they wet dream about nuking Canada just because of Trudeau and those Khalistani separatists. By that logic, Pakistan and China should nuke India right now, for their confirmed role in supporting the Baloch and Tibetan separatists.
Of course it's too late to nuke India right now. They should nuke India (and maybe Japan) back from Mao era. China missed maybe the only chance to nuke a country.
You’d think that with the assets at their disposal they’d hire more competent hitmen.
At least they inflict their depravity upon themselves most of the time. Zionists are actually trying to lebensraum the middle east while blackmailing every western politician out there into submision
I'm pretty sure China could conquer the Philippines after a successful Pacific war against the US in which the Philippines chooses to involve itself. Whether that's something China wants is a different matter
Same for Japan, but of course the cost would be much higher. Without US support, it's just a question of willpower