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Eventine said:
East Asians are particularly divided as a cultural group, in this regard. The distance between Slavs and other Europeans is probably the same as between Chinese and Koreans / Japanese, but the latter two groups are vehemently opposed to being associated with Chinese and would rather go down in flames with the West.

We shall not even mention the Taiwanese.

Yes much of this is also due to bad blood from World War 2 & divide & conquer tactics from the West. But the fact is there is almost zero feelings of “common identity” between East Asian nations that’d require the West to fear a unified East Asia. The idea of Japan or South Korea ever threatening to leave the US sphere for China’s based on shared heritage is so absurd that US strategists basically take them for granted, it’s comically sad to see.
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In most of east Asian history, only China really mattered. Korea and Japan didn't. Taiwan didn't even exist.

Of course they would want to side with the US. They don't want to go back to being nobodies like before.

But that's not China's problem. In the end of they lose, they will bow down to China just like they do to the US.
 
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Randomuser said:
In most of east Asian history, only China really mattered. Korea and Japan didn't. Taiwan didn't even exist.

Of course they would want to side with the US. They don't want to go back to being nobodies like before.

But that's not China's problem. In the end of they lose, they will bow down to China just like they do to the US.
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China has a history of integrating all the northeast Asian ethnicities around it. If there is a major war in the next 30 years, I give it about that long until Japanese and Korean become like Minnanese and Cantonese. If ww3 isn't started, in 50+ years there will likely still be a well developed Asian union, with nominally independent but closely tied Japan + united Korea.
 
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You may not believe this, but most Russians identify as both A) European and B) Christian. Their awkward current position in the Western system is mostly just a function of their size and their unwillingness to subordinate themselves. If you read actual Russian nationalists, they have deep skepticism about BRICS and the like. Dugin is the outlier among them.

Putin's attitudes on this is shaped by his cosmopolitan Soviet past where the communists would take up every 3rd world struggle in order to stick it to the West. Most young Russians don't give a hoot what's happening in the global south nor do they identify themselves as part of it.

There's a lot of bad blood right now between the West and Russia and public attitudes reflect that fact. However, if the hostilities die down and there's some rapproachment (big ifs) then I don't see how Russia will stay in the "third worldist" camp for long.
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Putin is not shaped by any of things that you wrote although he may give this impression. Putin is shaped by events around May 9 and the culture of Muslim elites of Russia. Actually you cannot separate the two.
he use various occasions like person reaching 100 years age with Kremlin invite to award that Title Hero of Russia and Putin want Russian women to have eight Children and this early births in school (dont pay attention to this Ukrainian commentary).
This all he doing to protect the kids standing next to that Green Flag and throw out thrash from the society.
and thats he keep sending people to Tehran because he does not want Russian muslims turn against Iran because alternative is what you see that Portrait in Kabul.

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Vladimir Putin awarded the Hero of Russia star to a centenarian veteran from Dagestan​

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More 'Cannon Fodder' Needed: Putin Demands Russian Women Give Birth to Eight Children — Video​

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Eventine said:
East Asians are particularly divided as a cultural group, in this regard. The distance between Slavs and other Europeans is probably the same as between Chinese and Koreans / Japanese, but the latter two groups are vehemently opposed to being associated with Chinese and would rather go down in flames with the West.

We shall not even mention the Taiwanese.

Yes much of this is also due to bad blood from World War 2 & divide & conquer tactics from the West. But the fact is there is almost zero feelings of “common identity” between East Asian nations that’d require the West to fear a unified East Asia. The idea of Japan or South Korea ever threatening to leave the US sphere for China’s based on shared heritage is so absurd that US strategists basically take them for granted, it’s comically sad to see.
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Of course Japan doesn't want to leave, they have 0 allies in the region and everyone hates them for WW2. Even now though, opinion polls in Japan show China at 40% approval among youth vs. 10% among boomers.

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In the Public Opinion Survey on Diplomacy by the Cabinet Office of Japan conducted at the end of 2021, just over 10% of respondents in their 60s and 70s — those with the harshest attitudes toward China — answered that they felt “close, friendly or familiar” with China. On the other end of the spectrum, over 40% of respondents aged 18 to 29 gave the same response. This indicates that the younger generations are more likely to have better perceptions of China.

According to a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center in June 2022, Japan is among the countries with the largest generation gap in terms of people’s perceptions of China, whereby the younger generation in Japan has a more favorable impression of the country.
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South Korea is seen as wavering. They had to be reminded time and time again that command of their military resides with the US and to cut China off from trade. They are reluctant to do so.

Taiwan is seen as even more wavering. There's a reason why Taiwanese military officers swim to the mainland while I haven't heard of PLA officers swimming to Taiwan.

Indeed it is much closer than you think. Time for the boomers to go and few demonstrations of hard power is all it takes.
 
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