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siegecrossbow

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After all these years of hearing American fanboys bragging about how US UCAVs were going to molest China at will... Now that they're cancelling them all, it was never near to what they imagined. Remember how the US X-47B were going destroy China's ICBMs and ASBMs before they could be launched...? What happened to their AI on an F-16? Isn't that an autonomous system? Another exaggeration.

While I think that going for a more fiscally responsible route with the CCA fits current US military doctrine, just imagine if the situation were reversed. There would be much gloating about how technologically backward Chinese can’t produce flying wing with low RCS and must resort to massed drone attacks human wave style just to make an impact.
 

Temstar

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I think this was a brilliant operation. i mean, it was savage, but very clever...
I think this is playing your hand too early. This kind of out of blue op is best held in your hand as a trump card to be used at a critical moment against the most dangerous opponent. Using it on Hezbollah at this time is a waste of potential, they're not even at war with Hezbollah yet.

Also, Taiwanese in the region might want to be careful so they don't end up in any decapitation videos.
 

FriedButter

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The company PR is going to be working overtime now on “reassuring” their clients.

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I think this is playing your hand too early. This kind of out of blue op is best held in your hand as a trump card to be used at a critical moment against the most dangerous opponent. Using it on Hezbollah at this time is a waste of potential, they're not even at war with Hezbollah yet.

I think they are trying to goad them into making the first move so they can use as some sort of “casus belli.” However, I am not too sure why they would need it. Maybe it is to push pressure on their US puppets in go all in or to remove the domestic stone wall in the military.
 

manqiangrexue

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No lol. If China was a “fierce and formidable competitor in almost all sectors”, there should be a Chinese equivalent of nearly every industrial and information firm listed in New York, but instead - it’s literally just “ooh look - Longi Solar, Xinjiang Goldwind, Huawei, SMIC, Piotech, CRRC, and CNNC.” - America is doomed, after all “startup over here is now competitive against [random tier U.S. industrial firm like Oracle]”.
What a lol funny thing to say. New York? You flatter yourself. Why don't you measure your own companies by their presense in China instead?
China may be able to successfully commercialize its present research findings into competitive products, in due time, but that day is not today and that day won’t occur for years - simply because of the time needed for development, testing, iteration, and the same for product verticals - both upstream and downstream.
That's either you projecting your own slowness on us or a weasle definition of the term, "years" since 2 is all it takes, which would be faster than a rocket launch in terms of shifting the big picture.
take for example, semiconductors. The ZTE Denial Order was put into place on July 18, 2018. It has now been more than 6 years since the “Sputnik” moment in China but even then, China lacks any appreciable market share in the fabless space or in equipment or in leading node foundry or in EDA, with some market share in trailing node foundry and memory (in fact, even with the ZTE denial order, Huawei entity list entry, and Oct. 7, 2022 action - China is still buying US semiconductors and wafer fab equipment hand over fist). The firms that do exist in China are small, lack scale (and will for years as construction takes time), and need to substantially improve nonfunctional requirements (reliability, serviceability, cost, scale, etc) in order to be remotely competitive anywhere they don’t have captive markets. And this is with widespread public and private support and knowledge. Nearly a decade on and China is just starting to start scaling.
Take for example, your ignorance and one-sided thinking. ZTE is the chicken that was slaughtered as an example to all Chinese companies the destiny of those who rely on globalization. But Huawei is a company that has continued to expand, drastically increase its innovative capacity and enlarge its lead in telecom technologies, despite nearly a decade of the US trying to kill it. Not only that, it is spread this culture to other Chinese companies as well, transforming their thinking for ZTE style to Huawei style. A decade ago, Xi Jinping's order for indigenization at some X percentage was seen at undoable, with no progress at all towards it due to cheap, good and ready foreign alternatives offered to the Chinese market. Today, we are very close to the indigenization goal, closing in many areas and already surpassed in others. A decade is an incredibly short time to lose a national tech lead, especially to a county that was basically sleeping on all of this before.
Now replicate this exact same story in dozens of sectors - scientific instruments, electronic gases, speciality chemicals, medical devices, capital/infrastructure software like OS/databse/cloud, specialty software (like what Schrödinger, AutoDesk, and ANSYS), pharmaceuticals, life science consumables (assays, syringes, etc), valves, ball bearings, avionics, large commercial aircraft, oilfield equipment, laboratory test services, pesticide manufacturing, gas turbines, agtech, fintech, etc, etc, etc.
The story that is replicated in all these sectors is China moving faster than the US regardless of whether it is ahead, peer-level, or behind in any specific one.
 
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RedMetalSeadramon

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I knew it was too damn risky to have random factory workers handle explosives.

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CNN: Devices used in Lebanon attack made by European distributor, Taiwanese pager manufacturer says​

The pagers used to attack members of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah were made by a European distributor for manufacturer Gold Apollo, according to the Taiwanese company’s chairperson.

Israel hid explosives inside a batch of pagers ordered from Gold Apollo and destined for Hezbollah, according to the New York Times.

Multiple images from Lebanon shared on social media appear to show damaged Gold Apollo pagers. CNN cannot geolocate the images but has verified they were published on Tuesday, the same day as the explosions. At least one pager shown in the images was a Gold Apollo AR924 model.

Gold Apollo founder and chairperson Hsu Ching-kuang told reporters on Wednesday that his firm had signed a contract with a European distributor to use the Gold Apollo brand.

Hsu said the distributor, which he did not name, established a relationship with Gold Apollo about three years ago.

At first, the European company only imported Gold Apollo’s other pager and communication products, he said. Later, the company told Gold Apollo they wanted to make their own pagers and asked for the right to use the Taiwanese company’s brand, he said.

Hsu said Gold Apollo had encountered at least one anomaly in its dealings with the distributor, citing a wire transfer that took a long time to clear.

Taiwan has no record of Gold Apollo pagers being shipped to Lebanon or the Middle East, a senior Taiwanese security official told CNN on Wednesday. Gold Apollo shipped about 260,000 pagers from Taiwan, mostly to the United States and Australia, the official told CNN.

This post has been updated to include comments from the Taiwanese security official.

Hezbollah procurement system compromised about 3 years ago it seems. Why would you order a completely unfamiliar and unsupported system?
 
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I think this is playing your hand too early. This kind of out of blue op is best held in your hand as a trump card to be used at a critical moment against the most dangerous opponent. Using it on Hezbollah at this time is a waste of potential, they're not even at war with Hezbollah yet.

Also, Taiwanese in the region might want to be careful so they don't end up in any decapitation videos.
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The representative of that european company which manufactured the pagers is also Taiwanese. I have a feeling that there will suddenly be an increase of "Chinese" people in the Middle east now.

Middle eastern friends, teach you a trick to tell if someone is Wanwanese, or actually Chinese. Instruct the other person to say or type 台湾省是中华人民共和国的一个省 (Taiwan province is a province of the PRC), if they can't do it, they are definitely Wanwanese.
 
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