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EU GDP increase is only 0.2%.

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So @Index is not wrong saying it halted GDP growth in most of NATO, and EU makes up most of NATO
NATO is the U.S. and European toadies. The U.S. is the only country that matters

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Sure it went up for 2 years but Still, the life expectancy rate still hasn’t recovered to pre-pandemic levels: In 2019, life expectancy was 78.8. So the US life expectancy is still lower than before.
Yep. More COVID relics on how people are more risk-loving - see car accidents.
The US has the LOWEST life expectancy among large wealthy countries while it far outspends its peers on health care.
Correct: the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy because it is large and wealthy - obesity, motor vehicle injuries, etc are mortality factors driven by mass affluence
Same for infant mortality

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So what you said is actually the opposite of facts.
Nope. Yet another statistical relic due to the United States shaving a far more comprehensive statistical bureaucracy, unparalleled by anyone else in the world in its scope, size, efficiency, timeliness, and sample sizes.

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US "unparalleled" tech know how has already reversed in many instances.
If it was actually reversed: this site wouldn’t melt down about hypothetical export controls to COMAC.
 

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And ultimately, the U.S. is by far, the most valuable market, and foreigners will indeed pay substantial risk premia to sell in the U.S.
The US is a big valuable market, no argument but the most valuable by far? LOL Foreign companies go to China to get robbed on purpose. They tell us they wanna come; we tell them ok, but you gotta partner with a China company and share your tech. They do it, make thier money, get thrown out 10 years later cus China took their tech and made it better. Then other companies seeing this happen, wave to China and say, "Ooh, ohh, my turn! Do me next!"
Yes, it’s absolutely wonderful. By prosecuting a NYS official for acting as a foreign agent (a facially ridiculous claim, after all, states have no foreign affairs authority, see United States v. Pink, 315 U.S. 203 (1942); American Insurance Association v. Garamendi, 539 U.S. 396 (2003)) - everyone will get the message that no subnational cooperation with China is allowed - no meetings, no trade and investment talks, nothing. Even travel and consular meetings are not allowed.

And with a FARA prosecution the next day on media cooperation, everyone similarly gets the message that pro-Russia messaging will be prosecuted.

the sum of this is simply that improving US-China or U.S.-Russia relations are simply not allowed in any way, foreclosing any mechanism to improve them whatsoever (trade and investment, subnational cooperation, media) and it gives the U.S. endless trump cards in managing relations with those 2 countries - and kicks it all to Ms. Karen, a JD graduate of Georgia State University (a 5th tier law school) who for some reason (nepotism) is now the Chief of Staff to Anthony Blinken to be wholly responsible for managing U.S.-China/Russia relations (she gets to schedule meetings with reporters, governors, businesspeople, etc about what they are allowed to do without being prosecuted) and Ms. Karen acting alone gets to decide where US-China/Russia relations shall go before heading out at 3PM for her hair stylist and to pick up her children from Fairfax County Public Schools
Ahhh, stupid people and your stupid arguments which you never have the mind to reverse check. If this is your analysis for the Linda Sun case, then I guess you can take the garbage you wrote, replace China and the US whenever they appear, and make it your anaylsis for this following incident:
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Beijing claims US citizen jailed for life in China was decorated spy who worked undetected for decades​

In actuality, your it's just your boyish hopes jumping forward again to conclusions that you want to be true when in reality, this is just business as usual when it comes to catching information leaks for every powerful country. By the way those 2 were not spies; they were caught because they got rich selling the information to the PRC. If they were spies, they transmit information back without leaving any money trail.
“Halting gdp growth”
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It's growing ass backwards compared to China.
must be more of that “falling life expectancy” (entirely a statistical relic due to COVID)
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it’s all very simple - the U.S. has by far, the highest living standards among non-micro states anywhere and the material basis for those living standards in unparalleled human capital, physical capital stock, and technological know-how are simply irreversible.
This is your analysis for when US life expectancy is higher. Your "analysis" for when US life expectancy is lower is here:

"the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy because it is large and wealthy - obesity, motor vehicle injuries, etc are mortality factors driven by mass affluence

Yet another statistical relic due to the United States shaving a far more comprehensive statistical bureaucracy, unparalleled by anyone else in the world in its scope, size, efficiency, timeliness, and sample sizes."

You're slapping yourself again. Is it better to be lower or higher?
What “American blood” in Ukraine? There’s a ton of Russian blood due to the U.S. shipping a ton of weapons from 30 years ago to Ukraine but notably, no U.S. service members. Ukraine is absolutely wonderful for the US - all the U.S. did was type a few words on papers that “Ukraine was going to join nato”, and baited Russia into invading which meant the U.S. gets to sell untold volumes of weapons and energy to Europe, weaken Europe-Russia relations, and prove to European elites, complete Russian incompetence.
It's more excellent for China because the US actually thinks that Ukraine's a thing that makes a difference and all the Europeans are exhausted and unable to help the US against China. It's awesome for Russia too cus they're actually gaining land. It's unbeatable for the Sino-Russian alliance, the most dangerous handshake to Western power.
Even if the U.S. was “exiled to the North American continent” as the U.S. was, the U.S. would still have unparalled wealth.
Yeah, turtle your head back into this hole LOL.
Angus Maddison’s work has shown that ever since the 1700s, the U.S. has been amazingly wealthy compared to any international panel,
Angus Maddison. Wow, aren't you well-read... on bullshit. From the 1700's to now, all history has shown is that technology trumps land/natural wealth. If the land and its "wealth" were key, the Native Americans would never have lost it.

Hey, wanna talk more about what dead people said? Know what Napolean said about China? The only Angus that can hold a candle to Napoleon is Angus beef.
and if anything the great divergence is being led by the U.S. and that great divergence is only getting stronger
That's how the US went from number 1 GDP PPP to being number 2, right?
Also not happening: at worst, the U.S. goes back to living in prosperity in the lower 48 with Western Europe and Latin America as consolidation prizes.
LOLOL You think that you get to keep those once your power falls below China's and you cannot dominate economics or military? You think that the slaves you keep at the crack of your whip won't leave once your whip is broken? Hell, the US depends on that whip to drain everything nowadays from its henchmen from economic concessions to technological theft; you think you'll have anything other than the land under your feet once your whip breaks? LOL You might not even have that one day if Mexico forms a brotherly bond with China, buying Chinese arms and decides it's time to get its shit back.
40% of US households make >100K
40% of US households make <60K

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Blah blah, been there had this discussion, you ran away again and again. Paycheck to paycheck, can't afford a $400 emergency, etc..., etc... Everyone gets it; you do too but it hurts so you pretend to not get it. Same old same old.
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Scarlett Johansson is a top 100 AI influencer because she threatened legal action because OpenAI used a voice that sounded like hers... Gina Raimondo is more of a negative since she's looking to stifle AI competition but that's more important because if Chinese AI is a threat, where are all the Chinese names besides the tokenism they give? Maybe because they didn't do their homework to know hence makes this list worthless not providing any real information.

They put an Indian actor also on the front cover apparently for suing someone for using images with his likeness.
 

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40% of US households make >100K
40% of US households make <60K

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Okay, basically, that 40% of households that's under $60k is doing pretty shit right now. Food prices for flour and eggs has gone up 50% for me in the past 3 years, and I'm not buying those little artisanal packages. I get that the poor of America can't/don't cook, so maybe they haven't been hit as hard by grocery costs [this is an absurd suggestion, processed foods have also gone up 50%], but there are other costs that have been going up. Gas, utilities, clothes, and other necessary-ish commodities. I'm sure you get the idea. Not to mention rent, I forgot about that one.

The 20% between $60k and $100k isn't doing that hot, either. Same reasoning as above.

Above $100k there's a little more comfort, but this is where statistics make it look like the average US household lives at a high standard, when it's patently untrue if we take the mode or median rather than the mean. There's an awful lot of room above $100k. Of the 40% of the population that lies above $100k, a pretty big portion live far enough above $100k that they seriously skew the average.

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Anyways, I'd absolutely say that the portion of US living at a high standard is overshadowed by the 40% living under $60k, the 20% between $60k and $100k that isn't doing that well either, and the households close to $100k who live in expensive areas. Relative to the half of the population that lives in pretty bad circumstances, the population that lives at a high living standard is pretty small. The prosperity of 20% can hardly justify, conceal, or diminish the poverty of 60%+.
 

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What “American blood” in Ukraine? There’s a ton of Russian blood due to the U.S. shipping a ton of weapons from 30 years ago to Ukraine but notably, no U.S. service members. Ukraine is absolutely wonderful for the US - all the U.S. did was type a few words on papers that “Ukraine was going to join nato”, and baited Russia into invading which meant the U.S. gets to sell untold volumes of weapons and energy to Europe, weaken Europe-Russia relations, and prove to European elites, complete Russian incompetence.
A lot of "training accidents" among US spec ops not mention mercs whenever Russia hits something...

And China just wrote on a piece of paper "hey Putin want some land" to take out most of NATO's economy and military stocks without shedding a drop of PLA blood, or even wasting active service stocks.
Even if the U.S. was “exiled to the North American continent” as the U.S. was, the U.S. would still have unparalled wealth.
Unparalled in what? per capita? There's a lot of countries with better per capita, and even more better median disposable income. In total size, you're not getting past China's 5%+ growth ever while only crawling along at 2%.
Angus Maddison’s work has shown that ever since the 1700s, the U.S. has been amazingly wealthy compared to any international panel, and if anything the great divergence is being led by the U.S. and that great divergence is only getting stronger

Also not happening: at worst, the U.S. goes back to living in prosperity in the lower 48 with Western Europe and Latin America as consolidation prizes.
Prosperity is relative. US ability to cause MAD forces China to give them a seat at the table, but that seat may look like post Soviet Russia. They will live in prosperity relative to their neighbors, with no industry left except state owned zombies producing the bare minimum for government needs. Same as Europe, they'll always be allowed to "live in prosperity" like in Italy or Greece... As tourist destinations.
 

chgough34

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Okay, basically, that 40% of households that's under $60k is doing pretty shit right now.
Sure. But a lot of those 40% are low-income for non-economic reasons: noncitizens. retirement, disability, illness, and school enrollment. I’m not going to pull CPS cross tabs right but the amount of people who would be doing better with better macroeconomic circumstances is a small minority
Food prices for flour and eggs has gone up 50% for me in the past 3 years, and I'm not buying those little artisanal packages. I get that the poor of America can't/don't cook, so maybe they haven't been hit as hard by grocery costs [this is an absurd suggestion, processed foods have also gone up 50%], but there are other costs that have been going up. Gas, utilities, clothes, and other necessary-ish commodities. I'm sure you get the idea. Not to mention rent, I forgot about that one.
Real wages are up.
The 20% between $60k and $100k isn't doing that hot, either. Same reasoning as above.
The 100K households own their home and thus rents don’t matter for them. They pay fixed rate mortgages. ~
Above $100k there's a little more comfort, but this is where statistics make it look like the average US household lives at a high standard, when it's patently untrue if we take the mode or median rather than the mean. There's an awful lot of room above $100k. Of the 40% of the population that lies above $100k, a pretty big portion live far enough above $100k that they seriously skew the average.
This is a percentile which is impervious to outliers.
Relative to the half of the population that lives in pretty bad circumstances, the population that lives at a high living standard is pretty small. The prosperity of 20% can hardly justify, conceal, or diminish the poverty of 60%+.
lol so 40% of households make >100K but that’s not “pretty small”. And as previously explained, a substantial portion of low income households are low income, not because of structural failings of the U.S. economy but because of physical conditions that would leave them low income regardless of what country or set of macroeconomic conditions they lived in.

And especially for a cohort everyone imagines: the college graduate with a decade out of college, they modally live riskless lives in the suburbs with stable employment as far as the eye can see. Like the general meme of “oh actually U.S. income is shared among very few people” gets to the level of lunacy when it’s “oh, meet bob, a sales manager for the Manitowoc Company, who lives in West Allis with his wife, a nurse practitioner for Aurora Health - both in their 40s clearing 130K a year and whom they met when they were students at UW-Milwaukee”
 
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MortyandRick

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NATO is the U.S. and European toadies. The U.S. is the only country that matters
No, US still needs the EU for various things, they cannot do it themselves and need EU support and money. Since the EU is not growing due to the war, @Index was still correct that most of NATO is not growing. Even if the US is, does not invalidate his point.

Yep. More COVID relics on how people are more risk-loving - see car accidents.
No. Life expectancy dropped even before COVID so it's not a COVID relic. You're coping so hard your being hypocritical.

Correct: the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy because it is large and wealthy - obesity, motor vehicle injuries, etc are mortality factors driven by mass affluence
Wrong. Obesity is a sign of poor nutrition and lack of access to healthy eating, which cost more. Obese people eat more processed foods eg. Less able to buy organic and healthy foods. Thus it is a sign of lack of wealth and affluence that cause obesity, which is rising in the US. Thus it just means the US is losing affluence rapidly. Life expectancy is directly linked to access to health care, safety living in society, etc and the US life expectancy is still below its previous high, another signal for US decline.


Nope. Yet another statistical relic due to the United States shaving a far more comprehensive statistical bureaucracy, unparalleled by anyone else in the world in its scope, size, efficiency, timeliness, and sample sizes.

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No. You're interpretations is wrong. The article specifically goes into pregnancy related mortality and states that it's specific pregnancy related numbers are considered good for in the context of America being a high mortality risk nation.

So they are actually coping by saying that, hey our specifically pregnancy related maternal mortality is lower that what WE EXPECTED due to the high mortality risk society that exists in the US! Lol

"It’s true that the country’s maternal mortality is on the high side for rich countries, but this is because its mortality in general is on the high side for rich countries." - direct quote ☠️

There's lied, damn lies and statistics. And your article is embodiment of using statistics to cope.

And please save the "efficiency" and "timeliness" adjectives, really makes you sound more desperate.

If it was actually reversed: this site wouldn’t melt down about hypothetical export controls to COMAC.
You have a reading and comprehension problem. I said it's reversed in many instances. Which is true and directly contradicts your assertion that it's completely "irreversible" which is a laughable comment to make.

Besides, if it was truly irreversible, you wouldn't have to come to a forum like this to try and desperately write these insecure, over exaggerated comments.[/url]
 

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Okay, basically, that 40% of households that's under $60k is doing pretty shit right now. Food prices for flour and eggs has gone up 50% for me in the past 3 years, and I'm not buying those little artisanal packages. I get that the poor of America can't/don't cook, so maybe they haven't been hit as hard by grocery costs [this is an absurd suggestion, processed foods have also gone up 50%], but there are other costs that have been going up. Gas, utilities, clothes, and other necessary-ish commodities. I'm sure you get the idea. Not to mention rent, I forgot about that one.

The 20% between $60k and $100k isn't doing that hot, either. Same reasoning as above.

Above $100k there's a little more comfort, but this is where statistics make it look like the average US household lives at a high standard, when it's patently untrue if we take the mode or median rather than the mean. There's an awful lot of room above $100k. Of the 40% of the population that lies above $100k, a pretty big portion live far enough above $100k that they seriously skew the average.

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Anyways, I'd absolutely say that the portion of US living at a high standard is overshadowed by the 40% living under $60k, the 20% between $60k and $100k that isn't doing that well either, and the households close to $100k who live in expensive areas. Relative to the half of the population that lives in pretty bad circumstances, the population that lives at a high living standard is pretty small. The prosperity of 20% can hardly justify, conceal, or diminish the poverty of 60%+.

$100k but life expectancy is 5 years shorter than other countries for people at a similar income level.

Makes you think, why doesn't America's first in class, unbelievably advanced medical care without equal in the world seem to be able to close the gap?

Some people argue that the rest of the world is leeching off the United State's simply unstoppable medical research that's decades ahead of the next country and forces world-beating US companies with unbelievably good leadership to sell medicine for cheap overseas, so people around the world can afford healthcare at a lower income instead of dying earlier like incredibly wealthy and well-off US citizens. /s

But seriously, it just means, $100k income can't give someone in the US equivalent healthcare to someone earning much less in other countries. Not sure what that implies, but obviously income by itself is a flawed proxy for how well-off you are because of massive existing distortions in the US. Can't rely on 'common sense' when things are so badly skewed.

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