Military situation in the sino-indian border
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Hendrik_2000
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India will suffer worse losses than 1962 if it incites border clash
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/7/4 23:53:39
The face-off between Chinese and Indian troops in the Sikkim section of the Sino-Indian border seems to be escalating. The Indian military was quoted by Indian media as saying that more troops have been deployed there in a non-combative mode. Indian Defense Minister Arun Jaitley claimed that the India of 2017 is different from the India of 1962. Chief of Staff of the Indian Army, General Bipin Rawat, even said they are fully ready for a two-and-a-half front war - referring to China, Pakistan and internal security requirements.
Indian troops have trespassed over the China-Sikkim border, which is viewed as having already been demarcated, and is not a line of actual control. The Indian side has changed arguments several times, first claiming that "China intruded onto Indian territory," but later saying "there was no incursion into our territory," followed by the new excuse that India is helping Bhutan safeguard its territory. India is acting shamelessly before the international community.
New Delhi's real purpose is to turn the Donglang area of China into a disputed region and block China's road construction there. The Cold War-obsessed India is suspicious that China is building the road to cut off the Siliguri Corridor, an area held by Indians as strategically important for India to control its turbulent northeast area. India is taking the risk to betray the historical agreement and wants to force China to swallow the result.
India should look in the mirror. It was not able to refute the evidence of illegal border-trespassing and coerced its small neighbor Bhutan to shoulder the blame. India has long treated Bhutan as a vassal state, a rare scene under modern international relations. India's illegal border intrusion is not allowed by international law; besides its suppression of Bhutan must be condemned by the international community. The Indian media claimed in recent days that New Delhi "shouldn't abandon Bhutan." India is humiliating the civilization of the 21st Century.
The Chinese public is infuriated by India's provocation. We believe the Chinese People's Liberation Army is powerful enough to expel Indian troops out of Chinese territory.
We firmly believe that the face-off in the Donglang area will end up with the Indian troops in retreat. The Indian military can choose to return to its territory with dignity, or be kicked out of the area by Chinese soldiers.
If New Delhi believes that its military might can be used as leverage in the Donglang area, and it's ready for a two-and-a-half front war, we have to tell India that the Chinese look down on their military power. Jaitley is right that the India of 2017 is different from that of 1962 - India will suffer greater losses than in 1962 if it incites military conflicts.
China attaches great importance to domestic stability and doesn't want to be mired in a mess with India. But New Delhi would be too naïve to think that Beijing would make concessions to its unruly demands.
Instead of taking immediate action, China still wants to address disputes by peaceful means, a practice that has been maintained for decades, and it is unwilling to face a pattern of confrontation in the border area. But a peaceful solution must lead to legitimate and justified outcomes. We hope India can face up to the hazards of its unruly actions to the country's fundamental interests and withdraw its troops without delay.
We need to give diplomatic and military authorities full power to handle the issue. We call on Chinese society to maintain high-level unity on the issue. The more unified the Chinese people are, the more sufficient conditions the professionals will have to fight against India and safeguard our interests. This time, we must teach New Delhi a bitter lesson.
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India will suffer worse losses than 1962 if it incites border clash
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/7/4 23:53:39
The face-off between Chinese and Indian troops in the Sikkim section of the Sino-Indian border seems to be escalating. The Indian military was quoted by Indian media as saying that more troops have been deployed there in a non-combative mode. Indian Defense Minister Arun Jaitley claimed that the India of 2017 is different from the India of 1962. Chief of Staff of the Indian Army, General Bipin Rawat, even said they are fully ready for a two-and-a-half front war - referring to China, Pakistan and internal security requirements.
Indian troops have trespassed over the China-Sikkim border, which is viewed as having already been demarcated, and is not a line of actual control. The Indian side has changed arguments several times, first claiming that "China intruded onto Indian territory," but later saying "there was no incursion into our territory," followed by the new excuse that India is helping Bhutan safeguard its territory. India is acting shamelessly before the international community.
New Delhi's real purpose is to turn the Donglang area of China into a disputed region and block China's road construction there. The Cold War-obsessed India is suspicious that China is building the road to cut off the Siliguri Corridor, an area held by Indians as strategically important for India to control its turbulent northeast area. India is taking the risk to betray the historical agreement and wants to force China to swallow the result.
India should look in the mirror. It was not able to refute the evidence of illegal border-trespassing and coerced its small neighbor Bhutan to shoulder the blame. India has long treated Bhutan as a vassal state, a rare scene under modern international relations. India's illegal border intrusion is not allowed by international law; besides its suppression of Bhutan must be condemned by the international community. The Indian media claimed in recent days that New Delhi "shouldn't abandon Bhutan." India is humiliating the civilization of the 21st Century.
The Chinese public is infuriated by India's provocation. We believe the Chinese People's Liberation Army is powerful enough to expel Indian troops out of Chinese territory.
We firmly believe that the face-off in the Donglang area will end up with the Indian troops in retreat. The Indian military can choose to return to its territory with dignity, or be kicked out of the area by Chinese soldiers.
If New Delhi believes that its military might can be used as leverage in the Donglang area, and it's ready for a two-and-a-half front war, we have to tell India that the Chinese look down on their military power. Jaitley is right that the India of 2017 is different from that of 1962 - India will suffer greater losses than in 1962 if it incites military conflicts.
China attaches great importance to domestic stability and doesn't want to be mired in a mess with India. But New Delhi would be too naïve to think that Beijing would make concessions to its unruly demands.
Instead of taking immediate action, China still wants to address disputes by peaceful means, a practice that has been maintained for decades, and it is unwilling to face a pattern of confrontation in the border area. But a peaceful solution must lead to legitimate and justified outcomes. We hope India can face up to the hazards of its unruly actions to the country's fundamental interests and withdraw its troops without delay.
We need to give diplomatic and military authorities full power to handle the issue. We call on Chinese society to maintain high-level unity on the issue. The more unified the Chinese people are, the more sufficient conditions the professionals will have to fight against India and safeguard our interests. This time, we must teach New Delhi a bitter lesson.
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youngtomous
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For the land border China only with two conutry didn't comfirm .and also can say one country. they are Indian and Bhutan. beacuse Indian totally control Bhutan diplimacy .it is a country didn,t have establish diplomatic relations with all five permanent members of UN. So I say on the land border China only with one country didn't comfirm the border.on the other hand ,Do you know Indian with which country comfirm the land border ?NONE.
Hendrik_2000
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Sikkim standoff: China carries out military drill with tanks in Tibet
The drill, which involved firing live ammunition and testing new equipment, was carried out to evaluate the battle-readiness of PLA troops at altitudes of 15000 feet and above.
The Chinese Army has carried out a military exercise on the Tibet plateau, deploying tanks and conducting live firing at a height of 5,100 metres for the first time, amid a standoff with Indian forces near Nathu La in the Sikkim sector that has taken bilateral ties to a new low.
The drill, which also involved the testing of new equipment, was conducted to evaluate the battle-readiness of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops at altitudes of 15,000 feet and above, official Xinhua news agency reported.
The exercise assessed “battlefield environment analysis, combat operations, synergies that need to be developed during battle”, and also featured live fire shooting training and the testing of integration of military operations, the report in Chinese said.
A military truck convey during an exercise in the Tibet Autonomous Region. (Courtesy: China Military Online)
The report added that the hierarchy of the PLA, the world’s largest armed forces, wanted to test how the personnel and equipment fared in freezing altitudes and “complex weather patterns”.
Complex battle situations were simulated and troops were made to react to changing on-ground situations rapidly.
Last week, the Chinese military said it had conducted trials of a lightweight battle tank in Tibet near the Indian border. “The 35-tonne tank has carried out trials in the plains of Tibet,” PLA spokesman Col Wu Qian had said.
Asked whether the test targeted India, Wu said, “The purpose is to test the parameters of the equipment and is not targeted against any country.”
However, a report on the Guancha website said the tanks — called Xinqingtan in Chinese — were rolled out in an area of Tibet near the Indian border, and that Beijing was increasing its military buildup in the region as “a show of force designed to deter the Indian military”.
The new tank’s technology and firepower, the report said, were “more advanced than the Russia-made T-90s deployed by India”.
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The drill, which involved firing live ammunition and testing new equipment, was carried out to evaluate the battle-readiness of PLA troops at altitudes of 15000 feet and above.
The Chinese Army has carried out a military exercise on the Tibet plateau, deploying tanks and conducting live firing at a height of 5,100 metres for the first time, amid a standoff with Indian forces near Nathu La in the Sikkim sector that has taken bilateral ties to a new low.
The drill, which also involved the testing of new equipment, was conducted to evaluate the battle-readiness of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops at altitudes of 15,000 feet and above, official Xinhua news agency reported.
The exercise assessed “battlefield environment analysis, combat operations, synergies that need to be developed during battle”, and also featured live fire shooting training and the testing of integration of military operations, the report in Chinese said.
A military truck convey during an exercise in the Tibet Autonomous Region. (Courtesy: China Military Online)
The report added that the hierarchy of the PLA, the world’s largest armed forces, wanted to test how the personnel and equipment fared in freezing altitudes and “complex weather patterns”.
Complex battle situations were simulated and troops were made to react to changing on-ground situations rapidly.
Last week, the Chinese military said it had conducted trials of a lightweight battle tank in Tibet near the Indian border. “The 35-tonne tank has carried out trials in the plains of Tibet,” PLA spokesman Col Wu Qian had said.
Asked whether the test targeted India, Wu said, “The purpose is to test the parameters of the equipment and is not targeted against any country.”
However, a report on the Guancha website said the tanks — called Xinqingtan in Chinese — were rolled out in an area of Tibet near the Indian border, and that Beijing was increasing its military buildup in the region as “a show of force designed to deter the Indian military”.
The new tank’s technology and firepower, the report said, were “more advanced than the Russia-made T-90s deployed by India”.
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PiSigma
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India won't be able to operate T90 there anyway. And considering the logistic issues India suffers, good luck getting any significant heavy equipment there for them.Sikkim standoff: China carries out military drill with tanks in Tibet
The drill, which involved firing live ammunition and testing new equipment, was carried out to evaluate the battle-readiness of PLA troops at altitudes of 15000 feet and above.
The Chinese Army has carried out a military exercise on the Tibet plateau, deploying tanks and conducting live firing at a height of 5,100 metres for the first time, amid a standoff with Indian forces near Nathu La in the Sikkim sector that has taken bilateral ties to a new low.
The drill, which also involved the testing of new equipment, was conducted to evaluate the battle-readiness of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops at altitudes of 15,000 feet and above, official Xinhua news agency reported.
The exercise assessed “battlefield environment analysis, combat operations, synergies that need to be developed during battle”, and also featured live fire shooting training and the testing of integration of military operations, the report in Chinese said.
A military truck convey during an exercise in the Tibet Autonomous Region. (Courtesy: China Military Online)
The report added that the hierarchy of the PLA, the world’s largest armed forces, wanted to test how the personnel and equipment fared in freezing altitudes and “complex weather patterns”.
Complex battle situations were simulated and troops were made to react to changing on-ground situations rapidly.
Last week, the Chinese military said it had conducted trials of a lightweight battle tank in Tibet near the Indian border. “The 35-tonne tank has carried out trials in the plains of Tibet,” PLA spokesman Col Wu Qian had said.
Asked whether the test targeted India, Wu said, “The purpose is to test the parameters of the equipment and is not targeted against any country.”
However, a report on the Guancha website said the tanks — called Xinqingtan in Chinese — were rolled out in an area of Tibet near the Indian border, and that Beijing was increasing its military buildup in the region as “a show of force designed to deter the Indian military”.
The new tank’s technology and firepower, the report said, were “more advanced than the Russia-made T-90s deployed by India”.
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Is it really better than T90 MS ?
T90 MS is like 47 tons, it is a lot of heavier, is it possible to fight with these heavy tanks at such high attitudes?
Does China have some heavy tanks at the border ?
T90 MS is like 47 tons, it is a lot of heavier, is it possible to fight with these heavy tanks at such high attitudes?
Does China have some heavy tanks at the border ?
PiSigma
"the engineer"
China does not have heavy tanks on the border because it is impossible to get it there. That's why I said India can't get their T90s to the border for the same reason.
What about the high speed rail line going to Tibet?
Maybe use slower trains on the same line to help the tanks get into the region.
Granted the rail isn't anywhere near the boarder, but should put them in the region, then maybe the tanks could drive the rest of the way by themselves. As roads are being built out in the area.
It will be slow going (maybe ~2 months) but they should be able to get the tanks there eventually.
Or truck them in as pre fab pieces, then assemble them on site
Certainly wouldn't hurt to permanently station some tanks in the boarder region.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
Tanks can't travel far by themselves because tracks are not designed for extensive use. Going 500km by itself would be crazy amount of maintenance. That's why they are transported by truck.
Also tracks damage regular road surface, changan avenue is reinforced for that reason. Tracks at high speeds like 50km+ would rip up the concrete or asphalt of regular roads.
There is a reason why light tanks are invented. For mountainous areas where logistics are hard.
Assembly of tanks on site, then why have tanks at all? Just bring towed artillery and be done with it. At least you won't need giant cranes which would be a pain to move. Tanks only come in two pieces, chassis and turret.
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