Military situation in the sino-indian border

Monday at 12:28 PM

Jura said:

... I drew the "new" lines, of course approximately:

for the "new" tri-junction to be at

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it's ... hard to fathom

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and while the SDF had been down lately, I did some reading, like

of this interesting Chinese view:
India will suffer worse losses than 1962 if it incites border clash

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of this interesting Bhutanese view:
Understanding the Doklam border issue

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of this interesting Indian view:
Doklam Plateau - India, Bhutan and China Stand-Off

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and of some other articles (of course including wiki), plus I was looking at additional details in the maps of the area; I'm going to post "a new edition" of the map which is above (it'll be basically the same, but concentrating more on ... rivers)

Jura said:

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new question now:
where does the road being built by China in the above area would end please?

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getting close

Pakistan consider tactical nuke is best option against large Indian army, would china consider such option? This way, it doesn't need to bring so many troops to counter Indian large advancing troop.

No need to use nukes, if nuking of troops get out of hand, then nuking of cities might be next, and Chinese cities are much more valuable than Indian cities.

China can defeat Indian army conventionally using its own army if situation have come to that.

tidalwave said:

[...] Returning the favor, I think China would supply whatever Iran needed to combat Israel.

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Ultimately, Iran may provide China with an opportunity to establish a Russia/India level of arms transfers, and not simply to combat Israel, but to modernize Iran's military equipment on the whole. Of all the developing countries, only Iran is both politically and economically, and also temporally, situated to provide the Chinese defense industry with this level of opportunity.

sanblvd said:

[...] That is why China is very wisely absorbed many tiny insult and not hitting back, instead China spend its energy into much more important battle for its own national interest such as economy, building up alliance with other races of 3rd world nation, building up a strong military capability etc...[...]

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Accordingly, would supplying weaponry to Iran not fulfill the criterion of an "building up alliance with other races of 3rd world nation"? Neglecting the opportunity that Iran presents would be critically unwise.

james smith esq said:

Accordingly, would supplying weaponry to Iran not fulfill the criterion of an "building up alliance with other races of 3rd world nation"? Neglecting the opportunity that Iran presents would be critically unwise.

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Iran is Israel's primary interest, Israel have very strong influence in US foreign policy.

Israel hates Iran, Saudi hates Iran, therefore US hates Iran, you help Iran, you piss off US, Israel, and GCC.

Not a good trade, I don't mind China fully expand trade and civilian relations with Iran, but help Iran militarily while pissing off rest of the Western world is not worth it.

sanblvd said:

Not a good trade, I don't mind China fully expand trade and civilian relations with Iran, but help Iran militarily while pissing off rest of the Western world is not worth it.

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Okay!
But I'm not certain that China's primary concern either is, or should be, whether or not their policies piss off the western world. That's a very western-centric/western-primal perspective.

james smith esq said:

Okay!
But I'm not certain that China's primary concern either is, or should be, whether or not their policies piss off the western world. That's a very western-centric/western-primal perspective.

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Read Sun Tzu, the victor does not fight to seek victory, the victor only fight when victory is assured.

The balance of power between China and US right now is pretty balanced, but China vs the whole West the West comes out on top, right now China need to not piss off the West and cooperate with some Western nations in Europe to weaken the alliance between US and EU, so the day when US and China do have showdown, the West alliance will not be united to fight China.

Pissing off US, Israel, GCC and Europe right now in present time is the foreign policy of stupid Russia, China is not stupid enough to do that.

USSR lost that fight but Russia didn't learn, they are looking for round 2, China is in a good place to take advantage of Russia and West at the same time right now.

james smith esq said:

Okay!
But I'm not certain that China's primary concern either is, or should be, whether or not their policies piss off the western world. That's a very western-centric/western-primal perspective.

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The biggest mistake that China can make, one that would ruin several decades of humble learning and silent self-strengthening, would be to prematurely challenge the existing world order and be defeated/humiliated. In my opinion, China must be easily stronger than its Western rivals (particularly the US) by a healthy margin before it initiates this challenge and when the hour is upon us, it should do so with unbend-able conviction and power. (I'm not saying start WWIII though since China should be strong enough to deter any ideas of that in other people's minds.)

To be baited into losing its cool and jumping the gun before China is completely prepared would be criminally irresponsible to all the Chinese who sacrificed to build China to this day and to all the Chinese who live in China entrusting the government with their futures.

sanblvd said:

Read Sun Tzu, the victor does not fight to seek victory, the victor only fight when victory is assured.

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First, Sun Tzu's maxims are variably interpretable; second, Sun Tzu is far from the only historical military strategist; third, your anticipated "showdown" (quite cowboyish, huh?) is far from a certainty.

Again, China's primary concern neither is, nor should be, whether or not their policies piss off the western world, only whether they advance Chinese interests. The days of Chinese 'fear' of 'the west', if they ever existed, are long-gone. Mutual respect is based on mutuality. Historically, it's not China that has been lacking in this regard. In the present China is, and in the future China will be further empowered to enforce such mutuality, regardless of 'the west's "feelings".

james smith esq said:

First, Sun Tzu's maxims are variably interpretable; second, Sun Tzu is far from the only historical military strategist; third, your anticipated "showdown" (quite cowboyish, huh?) is far from a certainty.

Again, China's primary concern neither is, nor should be, whether or not their policies piss off the western world, only whether they advance Chinese interests. The days of Chinese 'fear' of 'the west', if they ever existed, are long-gone. Mutual respect is based on mutuality. Historically, it's not China that has been lacking in this regard. In the future China will be empowered to enforce such mutuality, regardless of 'the west's "feelings".

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Well then its presently its NOT in China's interest to directly challenge and piss off the Western world, China will never get mutual respect from the West because its not democratic and its Asian, so stop acting like your feeling got hurt when US don't give China the respect it deserves.

And no, China don't at all fear the west, not going cowboy and pissing off the west does not mean China is afraid of the west, and no, China don't care about West's feeling or its own feeling, it care about its own interest.

What does pissing off the whole West accomplish for China? Respect, I'm afraid China's ego is not as fragile as you think.