Military FAQ thread

[asif iqbal]

Re: south korea and turkish fire and forget ATGM

Turkey is making huge strides in self reliance, and out of the T-129 programme came the Roketsan Cirit anti-tank missle built by Turkey, not only that UAE signed $200 million deal for this missiles too

incidently T-129 is also running for South Korea attack helo programme, and Saudi Armed Forces have issued a tender for Turkey to take part in its new attack helo programme

T-129 is a really good helo and 2 have been delivered last year with 5 due to enter service this year with Turkish armed forces, they will be sent straight to the frontline to provide cover against PKK operating out of the North Iraqi border

 

[hardware]

during zhuhai airshow,NORINCO displayed FB-10 IR imaging seeker,while the seeker was design for MANPAD,it is possible AFT-11 fire and forget ATGM used FB-10 seeker.

 

[ahho]

I have a question in regarding to the total amount of rounds carried by Russian fighter jet to US fighter jet. I notice that most of the Russian fighter jet carry 150 rounds of 30mm which is bigger the the US 20mm, but the US jet fighter can carry at least 500 rounds. What is the difference in theory between US and Russia and this huge difference.

 

[Pointblank]

I have a question in regarding to the total amount of rounds carried by Russian fighter jet to US fighter jet. I notice that most of the Russian fighter jet carry 150 rounds of 30mm which is bigger the the US 20mm, but the US jet fighter can carry at least 500 rounds. What is the difference in theory between US and Russia and this huge difference.

Different philosophies in place.

Historic US practice is forlighter rounds fired more rapidly. From the American point of view, a higher rate of fire, with the gun firing lighter rounds (and thus having a more flat ballistic trajectory, improving accuracy) was more important as it would achieve a higher number of effective hits. European and Russian practice has been to fire heavier rounds at a lower rate of fire, placing higher emphasis on causing more damage per round, rather than getting more rounds on target. The US is slowly heading towards the European practice, with the introduction of the GAU-12 Equalizer, which is currently the primary gun onboard the Harrier II and the F-35.

 

[delft]

I have a question in regarding to the total amount of rounds carried by Russian fighter jet to US fighter jet. I notice that most of the Russian fighter jet carry 150 rounds of 30mm which is bigger the the US 20mm, but the US jet fighter can carry at least 500 rounds. What is the difference in theory between US and Russia and this huge difference.

It depends on history and the type of opponents met. Around 1950 the F-86 Sabre had six Browning 0.50 guns, which were first developed during WWI, while the smaller MiG-15 had a pair of 23 mm intended for use against fighters and a 37 mm with lower muzzle velocity for use against bombers. Sometimes a single 37 mm hit was sufficient to let the wing of a B-29 disintegrate.
The Sabre had the same armament as the Mustang P-51 ( Thunderbolt P-47 had either six or eight Brownings ), while the armament of the MiG was also similar to that used at the end of WWII.
But the small caliber of the US fighter guns is more easily explained from the character of the opposition met over the last 70 years than from a mindless following of tradition.

 

[ahho]

Thanks for the answer guys. I have always wondered about this question, since after watching a Mig-29 or Su-27 documentary, it says the display will show where the stream of bullets will go if you fire your cannon. This lead to my question on why would you need to carry so much ammo

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

In the First world war All light guns were the norm on fighters. And it worked well and was the default but when monoplanes with metallic hulls came in light MG's started to fail. the preference specs on these monoplanes allowed for more weight and fire power for their guns.
So in the the second world war light MG's were a dyeing breed. That said aerial gunnery was not really standardized by anyone. Fighter builders Mixed gunnery using a combination of light, medium and or heavy cannon. Although popular among american companys their was no rule that said you could only arm American fighters with a single calibre of cannon. Medium guns (50 cal) were chosen by the Us overall, but some fighters like my favorite fighter of the War the P38 lightning had a combination of four 50 cals and a 20mm.
Fighter and attacker builders all over the World built just about what ever MG suited there fancy in Form English 303's and Japanese 7.7's to Russian 37mm and 45mm to the biggest guns in any of the WW2 era aircraft the B25 Mitchell bomber's M5 75mm cannon and the German 88 mm cannon used in variants of the Ju88.
After the second world war the Jet age began.
The first fights of the Jet age over Korea were the Russian Mig and American F86 Sabres. Sabres continued the same 50 cal mix as mustangs. had they been gunning down WW2 piston engine fighters it would have worked well, but Jets are harder to kill. the 50 cal mix failed. the Russians by contrast had moved to a heavy mix of 23mm and 37mm cannon which were Sabre killers.
Now later versions of the Sabre series and those fighters of the fallow on the Era (that actually had a gun) moved up to the 20mm cannon first duel single barrel cannons then the first of the Vulcan series.
Now in testing 20mm cannon has proved a fair killer, that has stood because 20mm offers fair accuracy good penetration and power at a large capacity plus it's common in the american logistical system. Vulcan cannons are the Heart of the Phalanx used on american ships. a light weight version is used on the Marine AH1 Cobra. Now with the F22 I think we are seeing the last of the 20mm. F35 comes by default with a 25mm cannon the new AC130 is using a 30mm cannon.The Future is a mixed role craft capible against militents on the ground and targets in the Air 25mm offers the power of 30mm and the capacity of 20mm.

 

[ahho]

Quick question. I was bored and reading on wikipedia, I came across CRV7 and it's laser guided version (even the US is using it). I never knew our country made such deadly weapon . I was wondering, does Russia or China have anything similar to this? I was able to dig up some experimental laser guided rockets for Russia, but didn't say much.





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[SteelBird]

Saw this photo in the post about China sent aircraft to intercept Japanese aircraft during CNY. I'm not interested in the event because it is likely a make-up story. However, look at the F-15Js, there's something look like a hook. I don't think any version of the F-15 are carrier capable, and Japan doesn't have a full-size carrier anyway.

So, can someone explain what's that?

 

[bd popeye]

Saw this photo in the post about China sent aircraft to intercept Japanese aircraft during CNY. I'm not interested in the event because it is likely a make-up story. However, look at the F-15Js, there's something look like a hook. I don't think any version of the F-15 are carrier capable, and Japan doesn't have a full-size carrier anyway.

So, can someone explain what's that?

Looks like a weak attempt of PS of a tailhook by some fanboi.. Aircraft with tailhooks don't deploy it the tailhook until they are ready to land.