Marines

Red Guard said:

migleader, are you american??? don't you know that american constitution(bad spelling, not in mood to look for dic) specificly said that no american forces shall be used against national problems???? all us forces, as army, air force, navy, marine and national guards can't be used in the states affaire, that's what i learnt IN CHINA. if i am wrong, correct me.

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your right. im chinese, but i live in america. but The national guard is defnitly supposed to protect and help the country. hence its name. but apparently bush prefers to use them in iraq, and ignore new orleans.

as for the topic...he asked if china had marines, and we gave him an answer. thread ended.

About those amphibious guys in the bottom pic

What gun is that they're carrying? It looks sort of like Type 95 but then again it doesn't... Is it a waterproof gun that is able to fire from underwater?

nope, they are 95s. if you see a weird looking 95 nowadays in army, it could be the plastic training 95s. i am expecting to get one 81 next year when i go back to china, but the problem is, i don't know if i could get it to canada....does anyone know?

Oh yeah they are 95s. I saw it wrong, I thought the magazine on one of them is before the trigger, turns out to be some flappy thing on his wrist.

But are Type 95s resistant to getting wet? Are there any versions that can fire from underwater?

resistant to getting wet? i think every gun does that, doesn't it??? it's metal, so....the water jus...slip..off...the..surface....what do you mean by getting wet.......anyway, to my knowledge, chinese special force's underwater rifle/pistol was never offically publiced, so, as far as i could tell you, the rifle/gun they use is very similar to the soviet ones, which i forgot the name, if you ever played delta force 2, it's the underwater rifle in that, i forgot the name, i saw it somewhere we did copy that for many years.

Wingman said:

Oh yeah they are 95s. I saw it wrong, I thought the magazine on one of them is before the trigger, turns out to be some flappy thing on his wrist.

But are Type 95s resistant to getting wet? Are there any versions that can fire from underwater?

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i dont think a gun can actually fire from underwater, because the entire barrel would be full of water. if there was an airpoket, the force bullet trying to force its way out would damage the muzzle. plus the round would have difficulty ejecting the round underwater. almost all guns mowadays are waterproof to a degree, and really reliable ones like the ak can fire after complete submerging in water. but no guns actually fires from underwater...the concept is much like a barracuda super speed torpedo that require stregnthened firing tubes.

MIGleader said:

i dont think a gun can actually fire from underwater, because the entire barrel would be full of water. if there was an airpoket, the force bullet trying to force its way out would damage the muzzle. plus the round would have difficulty ejecting the round underwater. almost all guns mowadays are waterproof to a degree, and really reliable ones like the ak can fire after complete submerging in water. but no guns actually fires from underwater...the concept is much like a barracuda super speed torpedo that require stregnthened firing tubes.

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Well, the russians have the APS rifle (Avtomat Podvodnij Spetsialnij, don't know what it mean and i might have some mistake in the spelling) that fire a 5.66mm x 120mm long dart, this weapon was use by the Russian Combat divers.. There was also the Hecker und Koch project, named the P11 underwater pistol, which tou can see one in the movie Tomb Raider 2: the Cradle of Life. The P11 fire a dart too, it's a 7,62mm x 36mm. This pistol is use by German, British and US combat divers.

Well, the rifle in the picture are Type-95, they are maybe resistant to water, or if there were not, there's a old and very simple technique used in the army to prevent your gun to get wet, you just wrapped it correctly in a plastic bag, and when you come out of the water, you can just tare down the plastic to use your gun.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of. That submachinegun from Delta Force 2 that could fire when submerged. Forgot what it was called but since the it's supposed to be a simulation, I don't think the gun is fictional.

rommel said:

Well, the russians have the APS rifle (Avtomat Podvodnij Spetsialnij, don't know what it mean and i might have some mistake in the spelling) that fire a 5.66mm x 120mm long dart, this weapon was use by the Russian Combat divers.. There was also the Hecker und Koch project, named the P11 underwater pistol, which tou can see one in the movie Tomb Raider 2: the Cradle of Life. The P11 fire a dart too, it's a 7,62mm x 36mm. This pistol is use by German, British and US combat divers.

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Here's a good page on the APS rifle:


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I wonder how could somone practically use this weapon?Fire it from underwater?I see no other use for this monster.