Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Blitzo

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Perhaps.

The Mk-41 is not cheap itself...but that would be a shared cost.

The ESSM will be cheaper itself than an LRASM. They will have to add significant upgrades to the Surface Radar itself in order to be able to reach much further out, and then the data link and other necessaruy comms to be able to share the even further out target acquisition from other assetts.

Time will tell. I believe they can do both to the existing platforms...they will just have to be willing to spend the money.

The FFG vessel will be designed that way and the cost will be a part of the multi-role vessel.

I still believe upgrading the survivability of the vessels to Combat II may prove even more prohibitively expensive since they did not build it into the hull and structure to begin with.

Hmm yes. I'm not entirely sure about anti ship vs SAM sensor fit. I believe an LRASM fit could utilise off board targeting instead of on board surface radar. Isn't it also mostly autonomous?

Personally I think the best way to go is fit both LCS I and II classes with slant launchers for harpoon or NSM. Give up on Mk-41 for LCS and use them as higher end auxiliary/ASW/mine hunting ships with limited attack and self defence capability.

Use lessons to get the next generation frigate right. Preferably it should feature an x band fixed APAR for guidance of multiple SAMs simultaneously. As formidable as the aegis system is, if its SARH SAMs still rely on mechanically oriented terminal illuminators it will feature some meaningful and really last century limitations on multi target engagement capability. The ARH SM-6 goes a long way in rectifying this, but until an ARH version of ESSM comes out, they should look into an X band APAR like SPY-3 or AMDR-X.

Then again, I might be projecting a little what I hope the PLANs next generation frigate will look like... :p
 
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a) 12 Freedom class, all of which get a Mk-41 and sensor upgrade to make them multi-role in capability. All of them also get "up armored" to get them from their current Combat 1+ to the Combat 2 classification that the Perry's were designed for.

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Jeff, would this "up armoring" increase the weight? If so, let me ask you the same question again: http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/littoral-combat-ships-lcs-36-3993.html#post302506
(the point is LCSs are overweight ALREADY)
Anyway, can you please post a link with that Combat classification described? (can't find anything using google :-(
 

dtulsa

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Isnt it possible to "navalize" the amraam missile for surface AAW applications just speculation @this point but seems possible probably the Norwegians will figure out how to.
 

Blitzo

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Isnt it possible to "navalize" the amraam missile for surface AAW applications just speculation @this point but seems possible probably the Norwegians will figure out how to.

Probably easier to just stick AMRAAMs seeker onto the proven ESSM.

But yes, it is definitely possible. Sea sparrow was developed from AIM-7 and DK-10 is developed from PL-12
 

shen

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Hmm yes. I'm not entirely sure about anti ship vs SAM sensor fit. I believe an LRASM fit could utilise off board targeting instead of on board surface radar. Isn't it also mostly autonomous?

Personally I think the best way to go is fit both LCS I and II classes with slant launchers for harpoon or NSM. Give up on Mk-41 for LCS and use them as higher end auxiliary/ASW/mine hunting ships with limited attack and self defence capability.

Use lessons to get the next generation frigate right. Preferably it should feature an x band fixed APAR for guidance of multiple SAMs simultaneously. As formidable as the aegis system is, if its SARH SAMs still rely on mechanically oriented terminal illuminators it will feature some meaningful and really last century limitations on multi target engagement capability. The ARH SM-6 goes a long way in rectifying this, but until an ARH version of ESSM comes out, they should look into an X band APAR like SPY-3 or AMDR-X.

Then again, I might be projecting a little what I hope the PLANs next generation frigate will look like... :p

The easiest would be just license Australian CEAFAR / CEAMOUNT radar, which is already compatible with ESSM. But I doubt that will happen.
 

dtulsa

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The problem I see with mounting of lrasm on the new SSC is the weight of the system {1000} lb. warhead probably a little over kill for a frigate and the cost, the nsm/jsm is already in service and may actually end up replacing harpoon in fleet wide service. And thanks for info on amraam for point defense it may already be happening with the essm block II using a sys. similar to the SM6. Cant wait to see what recommendations are for the SSC are hope they get it right this time.
 

dtulsa

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A new tech question has anyone heard of mk56 Vls for the essm its supposed to be 20% lighter than the mk 41/48 system pics. would be welcome Wikipedia just mentions it in passing Thank You.
 

dtulsa

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Would it be possible to mount a 5/54 mount on the current versions of the LCS this would also go along way toward fixing its firepower issues could use existing technology for this I would assume.
 

Blitzo

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Would it be possible to mount a 5/54 mount on the current versions of the LCS this would also go along way toward fixing its firepower issues could use existing technology for this I would assume.

Actually the 57mm gun makes sense for LCS because it is better against swarming small craft which is one of LCS's missions. It has a higher rate of fire than the 5 inch mk-45 gun, and has a good variety of programmable smart munitions suited for small craft defence.

LCS's firepower issues revolves mostly around lack of AShMs , and partly air defence.

The lack of firepower could be forgiven... if each ship didn't cost 600 million a pop. Hell, even 300 million is a bit steep.
 
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