Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Pointblank

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Millwaukee Harbor?:confused:

Someone mentioned aluminum hulls being a fire risk. Anyone care to go into more detail?

Aluminum has the tendency to melt at a very low temperature. This is a major concern in a warship, as in a fire, the hull will literally melt under the heat. However, it is significantly lighter than steel, and if the damage control systems are done right, that risk can be slightly mitigated.
 

crobato

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The Seafighter is built out of aluminum, and so are the Houbeis. I think that's pretty much how catamarans and trimarans in this case, are being built these days.
 

Pointblank

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The Seafighter is built out of aluminum, and so are the Houbeis. I think that's pretty much how catamarans and trimarans in this case, are being built these days.

I think most navies are ignoring the harsh lessons that were learned during the the 1970's and 1980's regarding naval ship fires. One of these lessons was that aluminum isn't a good material to be building ships that go into harms way with. I am not pleased with the fact that we appear to be forgetting these lessons, lessons that were learned through the loss of lives.
 

Troika

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Why is that? The training sylabus for the LCS was arranged some time ago. The USN is very excellent at training and organization. It will work out fine.

Want to know how the USN is training its LCS sailors??:confused:...

That's WHY I am interested in it, you only learn from the best.

The reason I have concerns with cross training is that in my experience it is far easier to train a man to do one job well then to make him savvy in multiple disciplines, when each may be complicated systems in itself. Each sailor's going to have to be that much more professional, the logistics of that is fascinating to me.

Anyway, you are a god amongst mortals popeye, saves me the trouble of lookin' myself. Will pursue with pleasure.

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Just because it has a modular design doesn't mean they'd change the load-out every other month. @_@ The importance here is having the option to easily swap out mission modules, versus "fixed" systems that require major retrofitting.

Think of it as an easy way to upgrade, or change mission profile/load-out.

They still have to know how to do different jobs. Anyway, that's been addressed by popeye's info, I'll get back to that after I read them.

Eh, I know that, as you can see from my post postulating how you'd tailor a flotilla to fit the mission profile, tours last a while, etc.
 

planeman

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i'm confused why people keep citing ASW as a roll, it doesn't even have a sonar
 

Jeff Head

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i'm confused why people keep citing ASW as a roll, it doesn't even have a sonar
These vessels will be very good at the ASW role, particularly in the littorals...but also out to sea.

As a part of their standard package they can carry two SH-60 helicopters which have a significant ASW capability on their own.

But, in addition, in the specific ASW package, or module, they will carry many more ASW detection and weapons systems, like Lockheed’s WLD-1 UUV, a new General Dynamics USV, and acoustic sensors such as Lockheed’s Sea Talon multifunction towed array and remote towed active source. Other detection systems and weapons are designed for use aboard unmanned surface vessels (USVs) like the Spartan which will also be carried.

So, the ASW role will be adequately covered, although not in the trasditional sense. But then again, there are a lot of nontraditional functions and systems designed for these vessels which is a major reason they are being built.

Now, I have also found out some info regarding the Surface Attack Package. It will be made up of 4 weapon stations. In addition to the 57mm naval gun, firepower at these stations could include either a 30mm cannon used in the Marines’ Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle, or, more interestingly, a version of the US Army’s Non Line-of-Sight – Launch System. NLOS-LS, also known as NETFIRES.

Each of the on-board weapon stations are sized to carry one Netfire module, each of which packs 15 cells. This means up to 60 such missiles if all four stations are outfitted with NETFIRES for a particular mission.

These cheap “missile-in-a-box” precision attack missiles (PAM) roughly duplicate the effects of a 155mm shell, and have a range of up to 40 km/ 24 miles. They can be fired in direct mode; and a forthcoming LAM missile would be able to loiter in an area and look for targets, or wait for another platform to laser-designate one.

A very powerful package indeed making these very powerful vessels, and we have not even covered the anti-mine and spec ops packages.

So, in essence, the LCS vessels will replace most of the traditional functions of 30 FF-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class “frigates” (and I think they may actually end up being more powerful than the OHPs in surface attack and anti-submarine), 14 MCM Avenger Class mine countermeasures vessels, and 12 MHC-51 Osprey Class coastal mine hunters, while also adding a significant Spec Ops anti-terror role, all in one vessel.
 
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Soviet General

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i wonder what the motherland is doing about this, is this realy our end.hhhhmmmmm. things were better when the soviets were in power.
 

Jeff Head

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i wonder what the motherland is doing about this, is this realy our end.hhhhmmmmm. things were better when the soviets were in power.
Well, I would disagree with the last part of your statement...as apparently do most all of the former "Republics". You would have a hard time...as in war...in getting those republics to come back into a new USSR.

Anyhow, that is not what this thread is about, it is about the US Littoral Combat Ships.

As to the Russian Navy and LCS type vessels, my understanding is that the are actively building their new FFG, Project 22380, in numbers. They may already have four or five built and in various stages of commissioning. It seems like a very capable frigate/corvette.

In fact, the first of class, the Steregushchy, was commissioned in November 2007.

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Finn McCool

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Sure enough..It's being built in Wisconsin...

So do they send them down the Mississippi? Or maybe through the Great Lakes and out the St. Lawrence Seaway?

As to the Russian Navy and LCS type vessels, my understanding is that the are actively building their new FFG, Project 22380, in numbers. They may already have four or five built and in various stages of commissioning. It seems like a very capable frigate/corvette.

Yes I like these FFGs. If only the Russian Navy could do the same thing with a DDG class, then they would be on a very good path.
 
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