I think we are both in the same page remember the hydrofoils were all stationed there until they were retired I believe
Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And at the end of their lives they were doing the same job Helping the coasties run down narcos.
They sure were few if any drug boats could outrun them
Correct me if I'm wrong I didn't see anything else about speed so I'm assuming they not be as fast as before although 30+ knots isn't all that slow if you ask me
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Independence class LCS has a top speed of 44 Knots, almost as fast as the old Pegasus class Hydrofoils 48 knots. With these upgrades I imaging a weight penalty which may explain the fantail. Removing weight to keep a high speed.
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Jura The idiot
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pathetic "solution" (for the reasons given inside
plus, I add, because of nonsensical placement of AShMs so close to the waterline)
The US Navy should have made the Freedom and Independence "frigates" from the get go.
The OHP Frigaes had, for their time, decent ASuW, deent AAW area coverage, and very good ASW capabilities. All thee with no "modules".
A US Navy FFG should be able to do all three today too...and each of those classes could be retrofitted to do so (The Freedom and Independence) and they should be, post haste.
For the last 8-10 years we have him-hawwed around with this design...but given who was President for most of that time, and the convoluted thinking that admin had on most military matters...it is not surprising.
The OHP Frigaes had, for their time, decent ASuW, deent AAW area coverage, and very good ASW capabilities. All thee with no "modules".
A US Navy FFG should be able to do all three today too...and each of those classes could be retrofitted to do so (The Freedom and Independence) and they should be, post haste.
For the last 8-10 years we have him-hawwed around with this design...but given who was President for most of that time, and the convoluted thinking that admin had on most military matters...it is not surprising.
Jura The idiot
General
inside:
[blah blah blah]
impact on costs,” Stackley said.
what is he still doing in the Pentagon?! OK I know the technical answer, which is "acting SecNav" as Trump still can't find his SecNav, but I mean he was responsible for Research, Development and Acquisition when billions had been spent on "marvels" like two LCS subclasses, Zumwalts while there were insufficient funds on proper armament, testing etc. OK these were "phenomenal successes" of previous administration, but now this individual should go!
“At the point in time we were going through
[blah blah blah]
impact on costs,” Stackley said.
what is he still doing in the Pentagon?! OK I know the technical answer, which is "acting SecNav" as Trump still can't find his SecNav, but I mean he was responsible for Research, Development and Acquisition when billions had been spent on "marvels" like two LCS subclasses, Zumwalts while there were insufficient funds on proper armament, testing etc. OK these were "phenomenal successes" of previous administration, but now this individual should go!
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
really Jura I think you are getting more and more Angsty.
But let's debunk.
the more and more I look at the Austal the more and more I think they did make a trade off. They cut back the flight deck length eliminated the mission module bay creating the fantail and reducing the structural weight to allow for the VLS in this new offering which matches the story posted above.
The Hellfire was added as a defencive measure to counter the threat of small craft like the boat that almost sank the USS Cole. The NAvy was the one who devised the small package version The builders both offered more. The report I posted today asks for more. It's the Navy who is feuding.
the 57mm can and 30mm guns are good systems not mentioned is that they also have smaller 12.7mm mounts to.
Again the Navy's choice They tested the Naval strike missile from MK 141 launcher on the Coronado. And again The navy said no to VLS with TLAMS that limits it They seem to have wanted to push antiship missiles.
that was the mission is still a mission need. just because of Russia and China does not mean that those jobs are gone.
But that same basic hull can be and is being tailored to better suit the main mission sets. or as the article says
exactly and the vendors are willing to do it but the customer has to make the choice.
like I pointed out the Navy's choice it seems to be feuding on this.
well duh, and No contracting for an established or "Internationalized" design will not change that either.
TBC
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Right package the Navy seems to have wanted. But is limited and you are complaining about.
If it trades off the Fire scout it should be able to take 2 Sea Hawks.
And 16 VLS are what you want you gave basically said so to.
ever feel like you are running in circles?
And the weight reduction from cutting back the light deck and mission bay. So far Jura your killer article is as soft as a pillow.
The crew issue is more an issue for the Freedom class. Freedom has a crew of 50 but they are supposed to task on up to 95 for special missions... but the number varies.
Independence has a crew of 130 Because of the Larger size of the Independence class you still have room.
Figures he was pushing a narrative and not looking at the option, It would cost more and take more time and in this case for the Independence class offering it's close to the 4000 ton mark.
Compare it to other western frigates of similar weight it's matching the armaments and finally Jura really
there is no issue, The Navy tested Firing Rockets from the Sea for a time and you know what? No problem. In fact the Harpoon's the launcher fires have a submarine launched version. The issue is back blast but there are navy ships with their launchers blast hitting the deck.