Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

bd popeye said:

Jeez.... January 20th can't get here soon enough.....I hope to see some real change in the defense industry..most notably accountability!

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this is also interesting (the source is as above EDIT which means inside of https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-151#post-433226):

Q: In 2016 the Chinese Navy commissioned a 4,000-ton frigate in late February and sent it on a 7-month deployment six weeks later. It often takes a year or more for the US Navy to deploy a new destroyer. What are the Chinese doing that the US Navy does not? What does the US Navy do that the Chinese don’t?

A: Two gray ships riding on the sea go by. They’ve got a bunch of flags flying and a bunch of sailors up on deck. One of them couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag and the other one will rock anything that it comes up against. Could we commission a guided-missile destroyer and steam it out of the harbor and take it on a world cruise? Yeah, I could. But in that situation I would not be taking care of what I refer to as the center of the universe. I want those men and women on that ship to be 100 percent confident in the ship and confident in the execution of any mission leadership may give them. So what are the Chinese thinking? I don’t know anything about it. I would tell you that I find it kind of interesting they feel they have to do that. To what end? I don’t know.

"Despite some setbacks in development, "
yeah I've heard

"... officials expect the full new mine-hunting package to be complete by the close of fiscal 2019."
oh really?
LCS Minehunting Package Near Completion

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A good news, finaly !

Frigates & LCS: The Navy has consistently said it needs 52 “small surface combatants,” a role filled by the current, and its future upgraded “frigate” version, all 3,000-plus-ton vessels. CSBA wants more, and bigger, small warships: 71 frigates of a new design in the 4,000-5,000 ton range. That gives room for capabilities LCS can’t fit, such as multi-purpose missile tubes (Vertical Launch Systems) for area anti-aircraft defense. These bigger frigates would play a central role in escorting aircraft carriers, smaller amphibious ships, supply convoys, unmanned vessels, and manned patrol craft. Production of the new frigate would start in ca. 2020. Sen. McCain has similarly we need to “get beyond” the LCS to a more capable craft “as soon as possible.”

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hehe comparable to Oct 9, 2015

Jura said:

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1. possibly OHP hull (or enlarged, but 4500 max.)
2. possibly COGLAG propulsion (relatively quiet; but 35 knots max.)
3. AEGIS Lite, one illuminator
4. 16-cells VLS: 8 AAMs, 8 ASROCs (so that during a ASW mission the ship wouldn't rely on a helo to kill a sub, heck)
5. organic helicopter, hangar; the outer, inner spaces arranged for:
   
6. Harpoon launchers optionally from one dual to two quads,
7. torpedo tubes optionally from one single up to two triple,
8. assault boats (optionally small or big?)
   
9. enough anti-FAC protection

I know this would've required a big crew ...

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The 2 homeports for the 26 first normaly all delivered for 2020/21
in this offcial files but you don' t have homeports


Italic not in service

San Diego, 7 in service 2 Freedom and 5 Independence receive after only Independence total 15 LCS
LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP SQUADRON (LCSRON) ONE
FREEDOM LCS 1
INDEPENDENCE LCS 2
FORT WORTH LCS 3
CORONADO LCS 4
JACKSON LCS 6
MONTGOMERY LCS 8
GABRELLE GIFFORDS LCS 10
OMAHA LCS 12
MANCHESTER LCS 14
TULSA LCS 16
PCU CHARLESTON LCS 18
CINCINNATI LCS 20
KANSAS CITY LCS 22
OAKLAND LCS 24
MOBILE LCS 26

Mayport, only Freedom classe 2 in service after 11
LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP SQUADRON (LCSRON) TWO
MILWAUKEE LCS 5
DETROIT LCS 7
LITTLE ROCK LCS 9
SIOUX CITY LCS 11
WICHITA LCS 13
BILLINGS LCS 15
INDIANAPOLIS LCS 17
ST LOUIS LCS 19
MINNEAPOLIS ST PAUL LCS 21
COOPERSTOWN LCS 23
MARINETTE LCS 25

Commissionined in 2017 four

FORBIN said:

The 2 homeports for the 26 first normaly all delivered for 2020/21
in this offcial files but you don' t have homeports

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Italic not in service

San Diego, 7 in service 2 Freedom and 5 Independence receive after only Independence total 15 LCS
LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP SQUADRON (LCSRON) ONE
FREEDOM LCS 1
INDEPENDENCE LCS 2
FORT WORTH LCS 3
CORONADO LCS 4
JACKSON LCS 6
MONTGOMERY LCS 8
GABRELLE GIFFORDS LCS 10
OMAHA LCS 12
MANCHESTER LCS 14
TULSA LCS 16
PCU CHARLESTON LCS 18
CINCINNATI LCS 20
KANSAS CITY LCS 22
OAKLAND LCS 24
MOBILE LCS 26

Mayport, only Freedom classe 2 in service after 11
LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP SQUADRON (LCSRON) TWO
MILWAUKEE LCS 5
DETROIT LCS 7
LITTLE ROCK LCS 9
SIOUX CITY LCS 11
WICHITA LCS 13
BILLINGS LCS 15
INDIANAPOLIS LCS 17
ST LOUIS LCS 19
MINNEAPOLIS ST PAUL LCS 21
COOPERSTOWN LCS 23
MARINETTE LCS 25

Commissionined in 2017 four

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That's a lot of ships more than a lot of navies in the world I'm beginning to wonder just when and where are they going to be deployed any idea's

dtulsa said:

That's a lot of ships more than a lot of navies in the world I'm beginning to wonder just when and where are they going to be deployed any idea's

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Difficult yet a good ratio of operationnal shis deployed or ready for with ofc a good maintenance and money... is to 70 %, 60 % is decent, for French ships in general the good deployed 180 - 240 days years ofc some years big maintenance and the ships is less or not deployed BTW seems nuclears boats with ofc RCOH are less disponible depends country, classes impossible to be exact.

For deployment i have a data Congress Reports say with 48 SSNs USN can have 10 deployed on duty on area so for me possible 5 - 10 LCS with 26.

Later with new after 26 th surely Everett receive LCS, much Perry retired there and make sense an other port, San Diego seems impossible with yet many ships in more arrive for 2018 about 4 new DDGs, AA Ships full but is is good

dtulsa said:

That's a lot of ships more than a lot of navies in the world I'm beginning to wonder just when and where are they going to be deployed any idea's

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first I repeat Jan 9, 2017

Jura said:

Q: What’s in the near future for LCS? Is that the only deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: That is correct.

Q: You don’t have another LCS deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: No, I don’t think so.

says who?! Vice Admiral Thomas S. Rowden
Commander Naval Surface Force

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in January 8, 2017 Interview: Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, Commander, US Naval Forces

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which is reality; now:

with so many copies "sidelined" (six out of eight commissioned EDIT if I'm not mistaken), with so many issues (weaponry pretty much absent Dec 31, 2016), so late in the program (15 or so years) ...

in my opinion the program should be terminated (I know it would mean to pay off the two vendors for "block buy of 26", but I think Trump would skilfully cut some deal for example give to each of them money for just one more, UNBUILT, for the favor of not building anything after that), the things built so far turned into minesweepers, and a new program of a real Frigate put on fast track (for example a design proposed by the most recent CSBA study Yesterday at 6:51 AM)

... if the program isn't axed (and I of course know at the same time it's a job program!) and proceeds into "beefed up LCS" phase which the USN wants, then AS A RESULT in the future they'll have to commit Burkes to convoy duties etc., patrolling duties in "hot spots" etc. I mean in addition to the other Burkes' duties (CV escorts! ABMD!) with a significant total financial (the need for even more Burkes) and capability loss

... is my armchair-admiralling

LOL when I was writing the above post, I had been unaware of

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quote the relevant part now:
"MITRE’s new frigate, however, would be larger and more capable than the LCS it replaces, with a 5″ gun (firing HVP) and sufficient sensor and missile capacity to conduct air and missile defense over a wide area, instead of only being able to protect itself. MITRE proposes Germany’s new F125 frigates as a model."
EDIT seeing Type 125 ... I've been criticizing these, too: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/european-military-news-reports-data-etc.t4395/page-85#post-406624

Friday at 6:51 AM

Jura said:

Frigates & LCS: The Navy has consistently said it needs 52 “small surface combatants,” a role filled by the current,

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and its future upgraded “frigate” version, all 3,000-plus-ton vessels. CSBA wants more, and bigger, small warships: 71 frigates of a new design in the 4,000-5,000 ton range. That gives room for capabilities LCS can’t fit, such as multi-purpose missile tubes (Vertical Launch Systems) for area anti-aircraft defense. These bigger frigates would play a central role in escorting aircraft carriers, smaller amphibious ships, supply convoys, unmanned vessels, and manned patrol craft. Production of the new frigate would start in ca. 2020. Sen. McCain has similarly

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we need to “get beyond” the LCS to a more capable craft “as soon as possible.”

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Saturday at 6:16 PM

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quote the relevant part now:
"MITRE’s new frigate, however, would be larger and more capable than the LCS it replaces, with a 5″ gun (firing HVP) and sufficient sensor and missile capacity to conduct air and missile defense over a wide area, instead of only being able to protect itself. MITRE proposes Germany’s new F125 frigates as a model."
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... and since I'm trying to be fair: the third study has appeared most recently, and ... "In an interesting contrast to the MITRE and CSBA studies, the Alternative Future Fleet doesn’t propose canceling the controversial . Instead, the study gives the LCS warfare (ASW) variant a major role escorting carriers and support ships. In the long term, the study says, “as the LCS small surface combatants are decommissioned, they would be replaced by FFs (frigates), which would provide greater lethality and combat capability,” but it doesn’t express any urgency about this upgrade."

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