List of results from China-Taiwan computer war simulations.

Hendrik_2000 said:

Canada is non factor in world politic and never forget Chinese is the 3rd largest ethnic group in Canada and soon will be the 2nd largest. If you ever go and visit to Hongkouver aka Vancouver you will know.

In some area like Markham, Richmond hill in Ontario almost 50% of the population are Chinese.
Toronto is the only place in North America that have 5 China Town

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Na Canuck has comfortable way of life with plenty of outdoor life and Saturday night hockey.They don't want to mess around with China or get dragged down in any conflict. For years Canada was friendly with China starting from Pearson time remember Norman Bethune. Only this last conservative government is hostile to China because they come from the stick, But they too now realize their mistake and start to kiss and make up with China

Unlike Australia, Canada is too far away from China so there is no apprehension or paranoia against China or Chinese.

Certainly there is resentment as the Chinese high schooler drove in BMW and Porsche and live in big Mac Mansion made of glass and steel while their neighbor live in Victorian house with ivy green.

And if you live in campus and come Friday night to Library You see only dark hair head in the library no blonde here

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Taking over control of the world? Canada is a G-8 member and doesn't care about the US Cuba sanctions. Otherwise they just do what they want and don't bother anyone with aircraft carriers. Futhermore they have an edge in Arctic warfare and hone that skill because they are on a clash course with other Arctic powers and the PRC over resource rights under the dwindling Arctic ice cap. For a 30 million population right next to the US that's quite a stance.
Btw. is someone with Canadian citizenship and Chinese ancestors a Canadian or a PRC agent with a new passport?
Did you know, the USA fought Germany in 2 world wars. How many Americans were then descendants of German immigrants? Wasn't this the second largest group?

Bltizo said:

If you want to speculate on what a mainland-taiwan military conflict will look like, fine, but the scenario you put forth leading to such a conflict raises more than a few eyebrows.

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I consider Taiwan independence movement more likely than aliens or zombies because there are quite threatening statements considering that possibility. If it were as likely as green men from Mars why would the PRC threaten with violence in such a case or is there also a PRC declaration of hostile intent if some Martians show up and declare Mars independent?
I've done my analyses and I don't see anything substantial in your post other than pointing out Chinese might and greed plus cowardice on the side of all people who might face it. I have expressed my doubts and I have expressed my perception that certain economic developments can be harnessed by factions with an aganda. To estimate the length of that economic slump in Chinese development take a look at the long Chinese boom. Sorry, but you are in for a "lost decade" to apply the term coined for Japan. That's an empirically based economic prediction and a decade is quite a lot of time in politics.

Kurt said:

I consider Taiwan independence movement more likely than aliens or zombies because there are quite threatening statements considering that possibility.

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Taiwan declaring independence during a mainland/east asian economic downturn is very unlikely to occur because such a move woudl be/not to mention stupid, full stop.

If it were as likely as green men from Mars why would the PRC threaten with violence in such a case or is there also a PRC declaration of hostile intent if some Martians show up and declare Mars independent?

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You misunderstand me, I'm saying the path you've lined out leading to conflict is unlikely (that is the whole "economic downturn, taiwan wants independence to capitalize on supposed mainland weakness even though it makes no sense).

I've done my analyses and I don't see anything substantial in your post other than pointing out Chinese might and greed plus cowardice on the side of all people who might face it. I have expressed my doubts and I have expressed my perception that certain economic developments can be harnessed by factions with an aganda. To estimate the length of that economic slump in Chinese development take a look at the long Chinese boom. Sorry, but you are in for a "lost decade" to apply the term coined for Japan. That's an empirically based economic prediction and a decade is quite a lot of time in politics.

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First -- "Chinese might and greed"? Can you quote me on when I point that out, I think we have a break in understanding.
Second -- yes if pro independence zealots in Taiwan somehow manage to get into government during an economic downturn and then somehow manages to rally the people and the military into declaring formal independence, with all its consequeces during a slump, then yes there would be conflict.
Third -- are you seriously claiming China's in for a long slump due to a long boom? Like there's a definite relationship between the length of time a country experiences economic growth and economic decline?
I'm not claiming that China will not experience a few years of economic stagnation eventually -- every country does. But at this stage I have no evidence to put forward date on when such an event might occur, and certainly not how long it might last, so I wonder why you are.

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It would be easier for us all if we just overlook the specific path (mainland economic downturn, taiwan moving to formal independence because of perceived weakness) you laid out leading to Taiwan declaring independence, for that's where most of the disagreement and political discussion is. That we people can focus more on the military nature of such an encounter... though I'm not sure what else people can say which hasn't already been said without again venturing into political realms

Kurt

I just have one question have you traveled widely in the world?. Are you ostie?.
I spend my younger year in German speaking country and I thought some of my friend are sophisticated and widely traveled. Toleranz. What happened to this young German full of anxiety, gelbe gefahr,Maybe the last 20 years German economy going so bad that people get anxious.

If you want to know most Chinese in Canada are Astronaut meaning they buy big house leave the wife and kids then they come back to Hongkong to do more business because there is no place to do business like Asia.

Because of internet, cheap ticket distance doesn't make a barrier anymore

Kurt said:

Considering USA and Canada, what agenda did Canada want to push and how many buttons did the US have? Sorry, but I don't understand how these things compare, although I'd like to point out that Canada doesn't care about the US embargo of Cuba for example.

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I guess you never heard of the Softwood Lumber dispute, eh? Or the border crossing issues?

If Canada can't even negotiate a better trade deal during the US's economic downturn, what makes you think Taiwan will have an advantage to declaring independence during a PRC economic downturn?

That's why your claim is pure fantasy, because it's not supported by a single shred of evidence.

Kurt said:

Btw. is someone with Canadian citizenship and Chinese ancestors a Canadian or a PRC agent with a new passport?
Did you know, the USA fought Germany in 2 world wars. How many Americans were then descendants of German immigrants? Wasn't this the second largest group?

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Now thats a very ballsy statement.

Geographer said:

You write about that like it's completely untrue. During the Great Leap Forward millions of mainlanders starved to death. In such circumstances, they probably ate anything to survive, just like Ukrainians during the 1930s famines or North Koreans today. China's economy really was that bad during the Great Leap Forward. The utter disasters of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution make China's economic growth since 1980 all that more impressive.

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How do you know millions starved to death.

Patnaik wasn't the only person to present this alternate view on the missing millions and one which Im inclined to agree with.