let chinese talk about the gunpowder weapon in ancient age

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solarz

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China has many (56) minority groups and any of them, not only Han, will/should proudly call themselves Chinese
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"should proudly call themselves Chinese"means he is a true chinese(han),we chinese always translate "han" to "chinese",and i will like to translate "han" to "han".Does it hurt anyone?


bla bla bla...

Seriously, this is sad. Where is this "Han superiority" mentality coming from? This is not the first time I've seen it on the internet, unfortunately.
 

rhino123

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China has many (56) minority groups and any of them, not only Han, will/should proudly call themselves Chinese
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"should proudly call themselves Chinese"means he is a true chinese(han),we chinese always translate "han" to "chinese",and i will like to translate "han" to "han".Does it hurt anyone?



which translate is better? i "should proudly call myself Chinese" to suggest that i am a han,or i talk out that i am a han?


do you want Tibet and Xinjiang to separate or something?
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when i use "chinese"(han),i probably mention the nation(han),if u guys want to talk about Nationality,u guys talk that yourselves.it is none of my business

and today their are more han than ancient local people in Tibet and Xinjiang(if u trace back to Tang Dynasty,there are lots of han in Xinjiang at that time)

why they will be separated,we han is a majority!

if u talk about the the ownership of the region,u'd better ask the majority

i think they will probably be separated if america return their land to Iroquois or Lakota.

i make myself understandble?



"wu hu luan hua", or "five barbarian hordes really messing up China"
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i am sorry if i use "distory" inaccurate,u can replace "distory" by "serious injury" or anything else

well, u have a good comparison,"An Elephant in a China Shop"

sorry for my poor english for another time


again the Qing Dynasty question
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To do a brief description of manchu's evil is a huge work

if i told u that manchu's army is famous for its Rape,Robbery and Massacre (not only before the manchu dynasty but also through the whole dynasty) u may not have an impression,i will tell u a case ,in 1864,"tai ping tian guo" war, Qing army kill all the women and children they find in nanjing city and suburban.500,000 people may die in nanjing Massacre,and most of them are peasants,women and children.

“分段搜杀,三日之间毙贼共十余万人。秦淮长河,尸首如麻”,“城内自伪宫逆府以及民房悉付一炷”,“万室焚烧,百物荡尽,而贡院幸存”, “自五代以来,生灵涂炭,殆无愈于今日。”

曾国藩的幕僚赵烈文在《能静居日记》记载:“沿街死尸十之九皆老者。其幼孩未满二三岁者亦斫戮以为戏,匍匐道上。妇女四十岁以下者一人俱无,老者无不负伤,或十余刀,数十刀”。

“金陵之役,伏尸百万,秦淮尽赤;号哭之声,震动四野。”所谓伏尸百万,除了战死者,就是曾国藩在城内外屠杀的平民。“皖南及江宁各属,市人肉以相食,或数十里野无耕种,村无炊烟。”

after the Massacre,not a single General is blamed for that,,i cannot understand how that happens in any other history of china.even a han emperor can never keep his throne after doing that kind of thing

And that kind of things happened again and again from nurhaci to Cixi.

And u guys may know about same famous manchu proverb



we should continue the qing dynasty but never the china (保大清不保中国)

we can give our interest to the foreigner but never to our han slave (宁赠友邦,不予家奴)

i wonder why the authority admit the Legitimacy of qing dynasty and think that will prevent Tibet and Xinjiang from independence.

but sorry,the factor that prevent the independence of Tibet and Xinjiang is the han in there and the PLA in there of course

Actually I see that you choose to bash Qing Dynasty from your reading of later Qing dynasty's history, which I find quite irrelevant. Actually that is also why Qing was overthrow in later stage.

Why don't you look at early Qing Dynasty when Kangxi actually created the largest China, he unified Taiwan, etc... Yongzhen and Qianlong was also widely praised.

It was only afterward that the dynasty stared to decay and that is how the Taiping Tian Guo, etc came about. And soon the downfall of the Qing Dynasty.

We do not judge a dynasty at their later stage... if they continue to be strong and just, it will not be a later stage.
 

maozedong

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"陈仓:魏明帝遣将军太原郝昭筑。陈仓城成,诸葛亮围之……亮以数万人攻昭千余人,以云梯冲车地道逼射昭, 昭以火射连石拒之,亮不利而还。"
——《水经注》

亮……起云梯冲车等以临城,昭于是以火箭逆射云梯,梯然,梯上人皆烧死。"
——《魏略》
three kingdom period not widely used gunpower weapon, they just use vegetable oil spread on the arrow, the fire will be followed by arrows to the enemy. not " fire rocket ".


chinese histroy five dynisty means 五代 period, not 五胡+六国, 五代 period after Tan dynisty destroyed.after five dynisty period(五代),Song dynisty unified China. 五胡+六国 means 南北朝(Southern and Northern Dynasties), after Jin dynisty(晋朝), but before Tan dynisty.
chinese gunpowder weapon started to use in Song dynisty, and widely used in Ming dynisty.
 

rhino123

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three kingdom period not widely used gunpower weapon, they just use vegetable oil spread on the arrow, the fire will be followed by arrows to the enemy. not " fire rocket ".


chinese histroy five dynisty means 五代 period, not 五胡+六国, 五代 period after Tan dynisty destroyed.after five dynisty period(五代),Song dynisty unified China. 五胡+六国 means 南北朝(Southern and Northern Dynasties), after Jin dynisty(晋朝), but before Tan dynisty.
chinese gunpowder weapon started to use in Song dynisty, and widely used in Ming dynisty.

I think you mean 五胡+六国 it is sixteen nations instead of six. Please look at my previous posts for references. And I believe our first posters is talking about 五胡 because he kept mentioning about five babarians.
 
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yuyueyuximing

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And I believe our first posters is talking about 五胡 because he kept mentioning about five babarians.
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yes ,u are right

there are too many kingdoms in 五胡,even historians can never achieve agreement
 

maozedong

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I think you mean 五胡+六国 it is sixteen nations instead of six.

no, 五胡 and+六国was the same period,五胡means five chinese northern nomades invaded China, destory Jin dynasty(西晋), five nomades fighted each other, they has total established 16 small nations in diferent times in north China, Jin dynisty retreated south of the Yangtze River, its Eastern Jin dynisty (东晋). this period was Southern and Northern Dynasties(南北朝)to started.
but five dynasty was the period after Tan, but before Song.
 

rhino123

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well,u guys know little about Kangxi and Yongzhen,i am sorry to say so

let us talk about Kangxi

in the taiwan battle, his army rape the women in continent and the women happened to be the navy's family,that nearly cause a mutiny

I find that you always like to state the history only in parts. Have you even stated that these same armies that actually rape the women in mainland China was executed later on? You miss out that part, huh? Plus it was the soldiers and army that do it and not Kangxi that ordered it.

in the "ping san fan" battle, his army devastated every city and godown they met

His army controlled by a Han General.

in the norsteast of china ,the han was killed so many by manchu that when the russian declare they conquered some land of china,the manchu Emperor has to get the news from russian,and then he give the land to russian without hesitate

Link please.

in all the manchu dynasty,han officers use "your slave"(奴才) instead of "i"

they talk like this "your slave think you are the great emperor in the history""your slave hope your slave can live up to your expectations"

Han officer uses - Cheng (臣), manchu officer use 奴才 and this word means servant and not slave.

blah, blah, blah...

Too tire to rebuke all your claims. But I find that you always like to look at the bad points of the history instead of the good ones. And if the Han dynasty is so good (because it is controlled by the Han), why did it collapse?
 

rhino123

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no, 五胡 and+六国was the same period,五胡means five chinese northern nomades invaded China, destory Jin dynasty(西晋), five nomades fighted each other, they has total established 16 small nations in diferent times in north China, Jin dynisty retreated south of the Yangtze River, its Eastern Jin dynisty (东晋). this period was Southern and Northern Dynasties(南北朝)to started.
but five dynasty was the period after Tan, but before Song.

Oops... got my history mixed up. Thanks for pointing that out. Man am I embarress.:p
 

solarz

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Seriously, this is sad. Where is this "Han superiority" mentality coming from?
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well, my nation name link to racial discrimination,i am sorry

then u'd better force Germany and Japanese to forget their nation to pretect Jews and Korean.

i wonder how the nation name can link to racial discrimination?

can u help me?


No, the name of the nation is People's Republic of China, 中华人民共和国。

Han Dynasty died out 2000 years ago.

汉族文化也早在唐代就吸收了各种外国和少数民族文化。一个文化和民族永远都是在交流和容纳别的民族和文化才会强大。一个自以为是,自我封闭的民族只会走向衰落和灭亡。明,清两朝就是典型的例子。
 
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