Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle said:

And please do some actual research and don't just read headlines. The Y junction is on the Chinese side of the LAC, even if it falls within Indian claim lines. Both sides claim about 20 km past the lac. PLA troops have been blocking Indian troops from reaching the Indian claim line, and similarly Indian soldeirs from Burtse block PLA from reaching its claims. Depsang is flat plains spreading through both sides of the lac. IF PLA cannot even get past burtse, there is no threat to DSDBO. That is why it hasn't even been discussed in the same talks as Pangong and Galwan. And if PLA could cut off DSDBO, it would have already done so if its goal was to secure CPEC.

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twineedle said:

When have I posted mainstream Indian sources as evidence?
And I have said that there are some reputable defence reporters/analysts who write for mainstream outlets like the Print, India today etc.

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Xsizor said:

I keep expecting something new but im thoroughly being disappointed by you.

Securing DSDBO means India has eliminated all vulnerabilities to DSDBO. That wouldn't be a reality with Depsang in China. China's actual targets lie north of Panging Tso (most of us know that).
Your "actual research " are based on dated "researches" from Australian (quad member) and european satellite analysts who hasn't followed it for long. That's why your posts aren't good research. You discredit retired military veterans for European or white teenagers who doesn't know what's the difference between a piece of abandoned tarp and an active permanent base.

Great, then i guess OutlookIndia and Business Standard gets added to the long list.
The biggest recent win for Chinese was in getting Raj47, the Indian retd OSINT analyst the "unreliable" tag. The more "unreliable" tags, the merrier. That makes any of their statements be suspicious.

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twineedle said:

I believe i specifically said it is likely both sides have limited activities in the area due to winter, which is what happens every year. And even if my evidence is not perfect, I am at least presenting something to support my claims. Whereas you are using the same Indian media you ridicule.

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Xsizor said:

You didn't raise that.
I pointed out to you that patrols would be limited due to Winter. The original party for that assertion is GlobalTimes.
You may have forgotten it. I think it was two weeks ago. Hey, atleast you learned something right ?

Do remember that you claimed India was patrolling upto PP14 in Winter ( with no good sources/evidence).
Now you claim both sides don't patrol because of winter.

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longmarch said:

PLA leadership behaves like bureaucrats of late Qing dynasty, all they want is to save face for their opponent so that they can turn major incidents into small, small incidents into nothing, without thinking longer term consequences. They are so afraid.


I hope they don't get exposed in a major conflict.

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twineedle said:

BTW, a retired Indian army officer who actually served on Pangong, unlike most "anonymous sources" disputes some of those claim of Indian soldiers regularly patrolling up to finger 8

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361633166608396288

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Xsizor said:

While Indians would gulp that down, don't you think this forum is a tough crowd to please/convince?
Lets put it this way - Would you trust what a Chinese soldier (no matter his post or rank) say regarding Ladakh clash (especially if it is against Indian claims) ?

So how much importance and integrity must be conferred to this Indian soldier here ? A soldier fights for his country. Information warfare isnt new. By actions and words, a soldier lives for his country. Unlike in Indian forum, his words aren't treated as gospel truths elsewhere (esp here).

Note: I haven't seen the video. I think I don't need to unless he backs it up with some video evidences that he collected on ground.

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twineedle said:

if you want to discredit evidence because you do not like reality, that is your right I suppose.

BTW, you still haven't provided any evidence to support your previous claims.

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Xsizor said:

My claims?
I'm not the one claiming things here. You are. I'm just giving counter evidences of equal integrity and authenticity to yours.
Your whole activity here revolves around a few dated satellite images from June with no credible or exhaustive explanation pieces offered by the OSINT analysts about how they came upon their findings and analysis.
My evidences are more than enough to counter them.

I'd like to see the evidences the India soldier has given. Any images or videos? Put it up here for some good discussion.

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twineedle said:

What evidences have you provided? so far nothing but dubious Indian media claims that you yourself said cannot be trusted, and statements by opposition politicians. I am at least providing neutral sources.

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