Ladakh Flash Point

rhino123 said:

Looking through multiple posts... I surmmarise the few points... 1) Indian ambushed five unarmed Chinese negotiators with as much as 200 plus armed soldiers. 2) they got beaten back by 20 or so, Chinese reinforcement.

However, I know many will not like it when I say this... 1) the Indians don't just appear in that area... And according to leaked information... They hv planned that ambush. 2) as they are amassing troops, shouldn't the Chinese already be alerted and more men should already be deployed. So when the five was attacked, reinforcement should already appeared. 3) has the intelligence department in PLA screwed up this time round?

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They were complacent but not completely so, since even the initial Chinese force had armed troops. I think that they didn’t anticipate that India was going for actually kills. As a rule, Indians have more troops stationed in the general vicinity than the Chinese.

rhino123 said:

Looking through multiple posts... I surmmarise the few points... 1) Indian ambushed five unarmed Chinese negotiators with as much as 200 plus armed soldiers. 2) they got beaten back by 20 or so, Chinese reinforcement.

However, I know many will not like it when I say this... 1) the Indians don't just appear in that area... And according to leaked information... They hv planned that ambush. 2) as they are amassing troops, shouldn't the Chinese already be alerted and more men should already be deployed. So when the five was attacked, reinforcement should already appeared. 3) has the intelligence department in PLA screwed up this time round?

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The Chinese very likely baited that. The PLA would anticipate an Indian man wave tactic at some point to push PLA out of the occupied territory. To have so many IA captured and dead, the PLA may have made one position look weak with anticipation of IA attack to which they would respond with counter-attack from planned position. Not saying this is true but to capture so many IA with zero PLA captured and be able to resist IA from taking the land even though the IA had equipment and sticks, this would suggest that PLA probably saw it coming and probably planned for it and baited the Indians.

Two drone operators from a Shenzhen firm received commendations for providing battle field intel for PLA troops that ended up being decisive for the battle.

I think those drones probably had thermal imaging lenses since much of the fighting took place at night.

It pays to remember that both India and China understand a few things. Indian population centres are far, far closer to this area than China's. India's military is also far closer and the concentration of forces it can bear is far greater. China cannot afford to place much military equipment here at the expense of eastern and pacific sectors.

After PLA occupied India's claimed land, the Indians already understood a shooting war is both unwinnable and will be devastating. They do not have technological or even numeric (overall) superiority to PLA if an escalation occurs. It could however push PLA into diverting attention towards this south west which could be something the Americans very much wanted to happen. India thankfully did not engage in escalation because they probably still understand they don't want to be the sacrifice for the US' gambit against China.

So without technological ability to challenge, India has an undeniable advantage over PLA and that is vast superiority in infantry numbers. They can push out the PLA with pure force and would assume reasonably the Chinese wouldn't shoot as long as the pushing doesn't become lethal. June activity and failed Operation Snow Leopard (whatever you want to call India's June offensive) ended up lethal and a failure where India would have executed at least one PLA in cold blood.

PLA may have been reinforced with more infantry and ground forces but if the Indians really wanted to perform and 100,000 man push, the PLA could do nothing except open fire since both now know this will probably become lethally violent. That's probably something both sides understand and so India, refusing to make this confrontation a shooting war that could escalate, have decided negotiations is actually the proper route to diffuse. They know the Chinese are reasonable which is why they have negotiated for over 9 formal occasions. If they really honestly consider the Chinese side totally unreasonable, they wouldn't have been wasting time and would have either abandoned claims (no good either) or escalated with a wave push which inevitably results in shooting war. Something the US would have more than encouraged for both sides. That's honestly two of their long term problems solved in one action.

ougoah said:

You know you lot are pathetic when all your efforts are focused on manipulating narratives, battling perception rather than the problems of reality. All while the real India is in the state it is.

How does India have a shred of reputation after a history of making lying its main talent?

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if I might hastily add, doing horrible things to women is also their prime social pastime.

Proof IA doesn’t have any photos due to confiscation of phones: they have to make do with CCTV screen cap at Manipur soldier’s hero’s welcome.



It would be less embarrassing if they used this one instead .

ougoah said:

Based, sane, sensible Indians in comments.

BJP Jai Hind troll farm workers still going to persist with their narratives until the powers that facilitate them are no more.

As much as some may feel that a BJP (or equally ideologically dominated) group leading India is doing good for India's competitors and adversaries, it really is a double edged sword and there is simply no cooperation or coexistence with the level of animosity between India China since BJP. As much as Jai Hind trolls want to refute with empty statements simply saying the opposite.

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I am curious as to why you take Ajai Shukla seriously but discredit analyses by respected Indian analysts like Nitin Gokhale, Snehesh Alex Philip, Shiv Aroor, western experts like MIT professor M Taylor Fravel, and ex veterans like Col. Dinny and Major Manik Jolly who have first hand experience with the region. Is it because he agrees with you? Nothing wrong with that, since we all have our biases, but it is interesting how Indian sources are ok when they support your view, but when they do not they are "bhakts," "jai hinds" "It cells" or Bjp propaganda.

siegecrossbow said:

Proof IA doesn’t have any photos due to confiscation of phones: they have to make do with CCTV screen cap at Manipur soldier’s hero’s welcome.

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It would be less embarrassing if they used this one instead .
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Has the Chinese social media seen the pictures of Manipur soldier getting an award?

jfy1155 said:

Has the Chinese social media seen the pictures of Manipur soldier getting an award?

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It has blown up in the military enthusiast circles. Most of them are actually not upset but amused by the fact that he got an award despite being either taken captive or running away.

twineedle said:

I am curious as to why you take Ajai Shukla seriously but discredit analyses by respected Indian analysts like Nitin Gokhale, Snehesh Alex Philip, Shiv Aroor, western experts like MIT professor M Taylor Fravel, and ex veterans like Col. Dinny and Major Manik Jolly who have first hand experience with the region. Is it because he agrees with you? Nothing wrong with that, since we all have our biases, but it is interesting how Indian sources are ok when they support your view, but when they do not they are "bhakts," "jai hinds" "It cells" or Bjp propaganda.

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And you like to quote "wstern experts" when they suit your narrative while tagging other so called democratic bipartisan "international- national"as india. Right?

Do you think anyone gives a damn about indian "analysts" who thought a planet as Chinese spy satellite?

Or do you think the globe should respect "respected" analysts in ape community?
Why is that you always whine when someone else beat the c**p out of you in your own game?