This has literally been discussed to death. The Y junction is on the Chinese side of the de facto lac agreed in 1993. However, like in Pangong, both sides have overlapping claims. Both India and China claim about 20 km past the lac. So while PLA blocks Indian patrols past the Y junction, Indian army blocks PLA patrols past burtse. China does have a tactical advantage due to superior infrastructure and favorable terrain on its side, but that is simply a tactical issue that in no way threatens DSDBO. Some members ehre are bringing up Depsang to cope with the fact PLA retreated from Pangong, and that China failed to enforce its new claims in Galwan.
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I think the PLA would be more than happy if the Indian army saw it that way too
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India always achieves its strategic goals because those goals are written upon the most wildly positive spin of whatever story the Indian government can get away with telling its citizens in lieu of the truth, which, they themselves probably no longer know by the time the news gets passed up to the higher ranks.
If India somehow was allowed to stroll unhindered into Tibet, then the strategic goal was to take Tibet from China. If a MiG-21 was shot down, then the strategic goal was to test your opponent with a disposable tin can (with the pilot in it). If India suffered military humiliation losing soldiers in a cowardly ambush and an unverified amount of land, then the strategic goal was to obfuscate the land lost and say you kept the status quo. If India was beaten to within a stone's throw from New Delhi then the strategic goal was just to uphold the capital. If New Delhi was captured, the the strategic goal was to concentrate forces and reestablish a capital reborn in western India LOL
Economically, according to your friend, when India failed to attract significant foreign manufacturing investment, it achieved its strategic goal of resisting modern colonialization in making other's goods for them.
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I know lying in existential part of indian "culture", but you have to understand, there is massive difference in competency between hitler saying "if you repeat a lie hundred times, people will believe it" & cowdung eating apes repeating lies & trying to self-convince themselves.
Indian apes tried to take advantage of China being busy in east giving honky ponky lectures in their parliament
Then tried to change status quo in galwan , got stepped over
Didn't stop running until they reached home.
Tried to make some bolly movie with lying but got totally exposed.
Since then they are under "severe stress" & shaking after the beating of their life time
India begged China to disengage from galwan. Now cow mama & cow-ards jawans are having family time together. Status quo restored.
Btw you can thank China later for the family time you got courtesy of PLA. You are welcome.
Say what you want to make yourself feel better. The facts say otherwise.
India's strategic goals were simple:
Keep Chinese patrols past the Johnson line(finger 8)
Prevent China from millitarizing/occupying the buffer zone/disputed area
Prevent China from violating the de facto lac of 1993(finger 4, Galwan river bend, etc.)
Secure its infrastructure projects, which China objected to(DSDBO, Galwan/Shyok bridges, etc.)
All were met.
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Hitler didn't say that, Goebbels did.
Ops, my bad.
to our Indian members here.
your country is in a deep abyss financially, socially and politically, it would do you much good to admit it.
However, I just cannot comprehend why you guys have such a blinding optimism and faith in your country. the only explanation is that you guys are burying your heads in the sand and living in a fantasy and dream world of superpower.
I mean it is good to be patriotic, but only up to a certain degree, and certainly not at the expense of truth and reality. otherwise how are you going to develop your country ?
by not acknowledging and then tackling the roots of the problems in your society, your country can never develop in a meaningful way.
chanting slogans, boasting about your so called superior but dysfunctional democracy, and thumping your chest might make you feel good but these are not going to elevate India to superpower status.
How to compete against China when you have the following hard facts showing a superior China to contend with?
lower infant mortality rate,
higher life expectancy,
higher literacy rate,
much better health care system,
higher nutritional status among the populace,
much better poverty alleviation programs and social welfare system,
stable government, good governance, able to make long term plans for the country such as BRI, RCEP, BIT with Europe etc,
a stable and cohesive society which supports the government,
GDP x6 larger and growing,
complete range of industrialisation, advanced manufacturing, highly advanced electronic industry, 5G etc,
advanced infrastructure and high speed railway system,
indigenous military industrial complex, space industry etc.....
I can go on and on.......
So pray tell me, what are the concrete plans and doable actions India are going to adopt to level the playing field against China somewhat ? As I said, chanting slogans and whipping up a mental fancy are not going to work.
your country is in a deep abyss financially, socially and politically, it would do you much good to admit it.
However, I just cannot comprehend why you guys have such a blinding optimism and faith in your country. the only explanation is that you guys are burying your heads in the sand and living in a fantasy and dream world of superpower.
I mean it is good to be patriotic, but only up to a certain degree, and certainly not at the expense of truth and reality. otherwise how are you going to develop your country ?
by not acknowledging and then tackling the roots of the problems in your society, your country can never develop in a meaningful way.
chanting slogans, boasting about your so called superior but dysfunctional democracy, and thumping your chest might make you feel good but these are not going to elevate India to superpower status.
How to compete against China when you have the following hard facts showing a superior China to contend with?
lower infant mortality rate,
higher life expectancy,
higher literacy rate,
much better health care system,
higher nutritional status among the populace,
much better poverty alleviation programs and social welfare system,
stable government, good governance, able to make long term plans for the country such as BRI, RCEP, BIT with Europe etc,
a stable and cohesive society which supports the government,
GDP x6 larger and growing,
complete range of industrialisation, advanced manufacturing, highly advanced electronic industry, 5G etc,
advanced infrastructure and high speed railway system,
indigenous military industrial complex, space industry etc.....
I can go on and on.......
So pray tell me, what are the concrete plans and doable actions India are going to adopt to level the playing field against China somewhat ? As I said, chanting slogans and whipping up a mental fancy are not going to work.
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