Ladakh Flash Point

TheFoozyOne said:

Another day, another victory on the internet for deluded Indian Bhakts.


Indians now having to cope with the fact that they got their asses whooped in a failed attack at Galwan, and losing more soldiers than PLA.

I guess Indians don’t have to cope with the fact that they can’t patrol at finger 3-4 anymore, because apparently that’s “what India has always wanted” now that the agreement has signed.

India always wins and gets what it wants right?

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You mean finger 8. That's what they claimed up to and where they patrolled up to even by the admittance of their IT Cell employees here. Rarely patrolled up to finger 8 is patrolling up to finger 8. Their own opposition and high profile individuals are angry they lost the privilege of patrolling up to their claimed border lines.

Nobonita Barua said:

1. India was, is, always will be a colony. It's born to be led, conquered. From its language to culture is based of foreign influence. It's existence & entirety belongs to it's foreign masters

2. Nobody. You don't always feeling like playing games, i'm sure chinese govt is bored with dealing with india half-lings

3. And you don't have anything on your part to refute it. You are right, you apes don't understand that.

4. Excellent. Hopefully bigger coffin next time for the orange apes.

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India was a civilisation of distinction in the past. All can be lost and gained in time. India being colonised is not only unfortunate for India but also China. It is one source of the disagreements that have persisted between the two for the last century. Not to mention those between current day India and a dozen or annexed states and existing neighbours like Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal.

Nobonita Barua said:

Well

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Fun fact, military CPUs value reliability and hardiness more than raw computational power. Making them domestically is a lot easier than say, designing and manufacturing computer or mobile phone chips. I don’t see this as a big hurdle for the Indian defense industry. Not exactly. Military CPUs...

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Do you think PLA can declare "no touching the indian" week? Seems indians are still....shaken.

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siegecrossbow said:

He ignores the fact that commander Qi and his contingent, who were unarmed, were the ones who crossed the river to show good faith in discussion. Their lack of protection was interpreted as weakness by the Indians.

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Well they beat the life out of another PLA comms officer who approached the chimps when he chose to exit his vehicle. The chimps were using their iron bars to bash the vehicle while some of their fellow baboons were still beating on an unconscious PLA officer while shouting "JAAAAAIIIIII!". The online Jai Hind crowd celebrating how their iron bars "destroyed" the Mengshi vehicle lol while it barely shattered reinforced headlight covers. The self delusion with that crowd.

The Chinese are always this timid and stupidly showing good faith when the adversary actions and wishes are clear as fucking day. Thus Chinese are no good at war but drinking tea and chatting about stupid shit, praising each other about their new luxury handbag or iPhone. Would have been a perfect opportunity to spray into those Indian crowds and put their mighty Raptor of the East to the test. I mean since the relations have deteriorated to that point anyway with Indians crying for blood for a year and regular Chinese mostly being pretty meh about Ladakh. Then again that's my hot-headed decision making.

India is destroying itself without any need for PLA involvement. They can barely take on Pakistan on military terms. I suppose the choice to let them be is sensible enough. After all more the PLA got a chance to smash open Babu and some of his fellow officers.

ougoah said:

Well they beat the life out of another PLA comms officer who approached the chimps when he chose to exit his vehicle. The chimps were using their iron bars to bash the vehicle while some of their fellow baboons were still beating on an unconscious PLA officer while shouting "JAAAAAIIIIII!".

The Chinese are always this timid and stupidly showing good faith when the adversary actions and wishes are clear as fucking day. Thus Chinese are no good at war but drinking tea and chatting about stupid shit, praising each other about their new luxury handbag or iPhone. Would have been a perfect opportunity to spray into those Indian crowds and put their mighty Raptor of the East to the test. I mean since the relations have deteriorated to that point anyway with Indians crying for blood for a year and regular Chinese mostly being pretty meh about Ladakh.

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That would actually be a bad idea. India has more manpower to spare in the Ladakh area. Breaking the rules of engagement will open a whole host of unpleasant activities and essentially turn the LAC into the LOC. Patrolling troops will have to deal with snipers and land mines on top of natural hazards.

ougoah said:

India was a civilisation of distinction in the past. All can be lost and gained in time. India being colonised is not only unfortunate for India but also China. It is one source of the disagreements that have persisted between the two for the last century. Not to mention those between current day India and a dozen or annexed states and existing neighbours like Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal.

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I would say that's a matter subjected to debate, if ever there was such a thing called "Indian civilization".
India has never been uniformed in it's history. Practically different parts were ruled by different kingdom. But bigger problem is their culture was completely different from each other. Not sure it could be defined as "indian civilization".
India itself was beaten into particular shape by foreign power, in the shape it exists today.
However thats off topic, so would leave that

siegecrossbow said:

Patrolling troops will have to deal with snipers and land mines on top of natural hazards.

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Snipers made me remind of something.

Why china doesn't deploy something like that? Like the BAT team used by the other side?

siegecrossbow said:

That would actually be a bad idea. India has more manpower to spare in the Ladakh area. Breaking the rules of engagement will open a whole host of unpleasant activities and essentially turn the LAC into the LOC. Patrolling troops will have to deal with snipers and land mines on top of natural hazards.

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I'm talking limited engagement. As soon as one side obliterate the frontline of the other, the airforces and artillery will be doing all the lifting. A limited conventional war would test their arrogance and be good practice. There is no bad idea even with India manpower because their manpower would be relatively useless in this age. The terrain is difficult and manpower means more loss of life. The only downside would be having to expend material on the worthless.

This sort of scenario is precisely why some nations don't have a no first use policy and have tactical nukes. China tying its own hand in this sort of way prevents them from really escalating if the hordes really do decide and manage to push past significantly on the merit of sheer numbers. Western Theatre Command is the least well equipped.

sukhoi_30MKI said:

The same amount of points Mongol Kublai khan gave to smaller Chinese kingdoms (fighting each other) when they invaded you.

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Wowwwww, LOLOLOL. To search for a moment of Chinese weakness that's how far back in history you had to go. And in the end, China actually absorbed Kublai Khan. India's so screwed up we're all on the last 2 years. Digging up your history is just too long a list of failures.

sukhoi_30MKI said:

regarding freedom of speech, west has their own standards and India has its own.

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How much gang rape is in India's standard?

sukhoi_30MKI said:

Chinese have none.

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That's the West's version of Chinese free speech; it's like calling a California Roll Japanese food.

lp1g said:

1.this is not a porno website and casteism is India's internal issue that doesn't affect China in anyway.

2. Chinese are angry because after months Chinese govt is accepting the no of casualties and even then Chinese are not sure about the numbers? And arrests of people who questions

3. What is there to refute?

4. ????? Factual one and Indian can't refute? Indians are happy now that China started revealing casualties.

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Chinese are angry because a bunch of lowlife apes attacked an unarmed negotiation group and then tortured the captured and murdered the unconscious. It's unheard of for a modern civilization. Once the Chinese forces arrived for a proper fight, 20 Indians killed in melee with no casualties on China's side as it should be. If you want a fight, come for a fight. Hold the underhanded Indian shit.

The Chinese are generally far too merciful always trying to avoid killing so when I first read that 20 Indians had died, I knew they really did something to deserve it. In no normal brawl would the Chinese be so vicious and inflict so much damage; they would stop when some of your men went unconscious and tell you get them medical care (or even provide it if requested). And now that we see what Indians did, I once again confirm that the Chinese were far too merciful.

lp1g said:

Because outcome of this whole situation is not bad for us.

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In the sense that you didn't have any jet shoot-downs or accidental self-kills on helicopters.

lp1g said:

We started banning Chinese investment

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You have a midget economy that is in recession; decline in FDI is not considered a win by many countries but for India, a reduction from the usual level of defeat counts as a victory so who knows?

lp1g said:

and made China accept disengagement which is not good for China because next to be superpowers usually don't accept disengagement and invade the enemy nations.

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You made nothing. You accepted China's gracious offer to let you off the hook with your face intact (from a superficial and mildly explainable standpoint). By China's mercy, you talk trash, because you have no force that can stop China if it actually wished to advance on you.

lp1g said:

This is Doklam 2 for China.

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Doklam 1, 2, 3, 4, 1962, 2019, 2020, it can be any version of anything. India always loses, in military conflicts, economic growth, and technological development.

ougoah said:

The Jai Hinds don't take prisoners, not back in the 60s and seemingly not in 2020, preferring to torture, break fingers, cut throats etc. We saw a bit of the chimping with their video that they were celebrating... the one where the PLA officer was getting beaten while still unconscious.

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This is part of their military culture. Where do you think they learnt this from? None other than in Kashmir where such acts are carried out by Army everyday.

ougoah said:

I'm talking limited engagement. As soon as one side obliterate the frontline of the other, the airforces and artillery will be doing all the lifting. A limited conventional war would test their arrogance and be good practice. There is no bad idea even with India manpower because their manpower would be relatively useless in this age. The terrain is difficult and manpower means more loss of life. The only downside would be having to expend material on the worthless.

This sort of scenario is precisely why some nations don't have a no first use policy and have tactical nukes.

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That would push India firmly into the U.S. camp. In retrospect I think that it is wise for China to drag it out post presidential election. Biden, while still a friend of India, does not support the batshit measures advocated by Trump/Pompeo.