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discspinner

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At least he covered his ass.

Why no reports in China? Censorship of course!

What I find interesting is that the so called source some how knee high level decision making in the PLA (that General Zhao scheduled the attack)! If this is indeed the case, they should also know the battalion and CO involved in the incident? Why not disclose them to embarrass the Chinese further and add credence to the USNews publication?


Apologies to those who don't speak Mandarin. This guy is a well known commentator on Chinese military matters. What he says has been echoed by others. At 3:30, he describes the official description by China of the violence as '造成 人员 伤亡' or 'causing personnel injury and death'. It did not contain the characters '双方' or 'both sides' before 人员.

While he is simply making a blog video, honestly I am surprised at how long he spoke in a hinting fashion about the casualties, over 2 minutes in the video. Maybe this is why he isn't one of the leading commentators. Former military, too much of a loose cannon, bravado, and chest thumping.
 
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Apologies to those who don't speak Mandarin. This guy is a well known commentator on Chinese military matters. What he says has been echoed by others. At 3:30, he describes the official description by China of the violence as '造成 人员 伤亡' or 'causing personnel injury and death'. It did not contain the characters '双方' or 'both sides' before 人员.



The instant I heard China released 10 captured I realized it must've been extremely one sided. Must've been the greatest ass whoopin this millenia.

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KYli

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From what I’ve heard, the reason that there is so much Chinese investment in India vs Western investment is that Indian vendors tend to cut costs to the bone so there is little or no profit left. It is a miracle that companies like Xiaomi are actually making money.

Xiaomi isn't making much money and actually is subsidized by profit it made in China to expand in India. By building many factories in India and asking suppliers to relocate to India, Xiaomi is actually contributed more to India than many local Indian companies are. Although, ultimately Xiaomi, Vivo, and OPPO's goal is to displace Samsung in some key markets. If successful, the rewards are tremendous.
 

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I actually have a personal theory. Indian military is completely clueless about the Chinese casualties and is trying to goad Chinese spokespeople into disclosing it by inventing outlandish numbers via Indian media. It is like those number guessing games. 43, to high, 35, too high, etc.
 

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The inside story of how India and China came to blows in the Himalayas
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Checked this reporter Barkha Dutt's wiki page, and some glaring issues stuck out:
  • She has been accused of "over-the-top nationalism" in her reporting
  • Considered a soft-peddler on Hinduvata (RSS)
  • She was involved in a major corruption scandal
Not exactly a reliable and unbiased source of intel... it's a pretty desperate attempt by the WP.
 
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Brumby

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I actually have a personal theory. Indian military is completely clueless about the Chinese casualties and is trying to goad Chinese spokespeople into disclosing it by inventing outlandish numbers via Indian media. It is like those number guessing games. 43, to high, 35, too high, etc.

I think the general public is too fixated on the casualty numbers as if they somehow are representative of victory or defeat in the recent skirmish. There are far too few facts but plenty of misinformation that are either tainted, made up, misrepresented or simply lies.

IMO, the one important fact is the location of the skirmish. The location sets the moral authority on action and delineate as to which party is the aggressor. Modi had a chance to clarify the location of the skirmish but blew it for political expediency. Since his statement, the subsequent clarification just adds to the confusion

That said, IMO the Chinese seems to have outmanoeuvred the Indians in the skirmish by being able to better mobilise and deploy resources to the point of conflict to the extend that the Indians were probably outnumbered by as much as 5:1. What is troubling to me is why was the Indian Colonel that was initially killed out on a patrol? The rank of Colonel is either a regimental or at least a battalion commander. Battalion commanders don't go on patrols just like a CEO don't do mail run. A battalion commander makes tactical decision at unit level and that requires the person to have access and be located at battalion command HQ for C2 reasons. The fact that the Colonel being out there means there is a vacuum in the chain of command for decision making and for tactical deployment. It is not surprising that the Indians ended up being outnumbered. This incident reflects poorly on the Indians in terms of how operations are conducted at unit level. This does not bode well for an even wider conflict if this incident is instructive on Indian organisation, decision making and tactical deployment ability.

The other point that puzzles me is the lack of surveillance drones being used by the Indians for ISR border security monitoring. Given that the terrain features are difficult to access and navigate, ISR drones would be more efficient and effective rather than human patrols.
 

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Can you circle where was the 2017 stand off in Doklam?
Red line represents the border between China and India where the clash occurred in 2017. The X is one of the major points where the two sides' roads meet. Parts of the confrontation occurred in areas not shown on this map, it would be further on the left. China built roads up most ridges along the border with Sikkim.

The winding lines on the plateau are roads and PLA fortification network composed of trenches and bunkers. The plateau that the PLA controls is about 25 square km, its a wedge shape that's about 5-6.5km on each edge. Indian forces controls ~500m of the plateau located West of the border crossing before it descends into the valley. India also controls a large highland strip in Sikkim just West of the border with China although its not as flat as Doklam.
doklam strategic view 2.png
 
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