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ZeEa5KPul

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Which is an outdated mentality because in today's world, restraint is a sign of weakness, whereas unabated violent response is the act of strength that is the "accepted currency". Like the US Navy won't dare to test the Russian's resolve after their ships got rammed for testing the waters.
Remember the golden rule: Do unto others before they do unto you.
 

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They blaming China for the glacier breaking their dam

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Some how Chinese military gear is simultaneously cheap reverse engineered junk but also capable of godly feats of weather manipulation; Chinese soldiers are effeminate sissies but some how also capable of under cover sabotage hundreds of miles behind enemy lines without any detection by the Indian military. If you didn't think there is something wrong with their brains, you should now.
 

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Some how Chinese military gear is simultaneously cheap reverse engineered junk but also capable of godly feats of weather manipulation; Chinese soldiers are effeminate sissies but some how also capable of under cover sabotage hundreds of miles behind enemy lines without any detection by the Indian military. If you didn't think there is something wrong with their brains, you should now.
Applies to all the China haters though.


Trumpers like to accuse people of "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

The real mental illness seems to be "China Derangement Syndrome" i.e. China virus being weapon but also just a flu.


This level of cognitive dissonance pervades all levels of their society.
 

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Some how Chinese military gear is simultaneously cheap reverse engineered junk but also capable of godly feats of weather manipulation; Chinese soldiers are effeminate sissies but some how also capable of under cover sabotage hundreds of miles behind enemy lines without any detection by the Indian military. If you didn't think there is something wrong with their brains, you should now.
Another classic case of Schrodinger's China. India style. China is both an impotent communist state, and a supervillian at the same time.

The Jai Hinds are just waiting to blame China for the recent tragedy. Then when DRDO said that glacier bursts don't happen in winter. Bingo! It was China! Just like Covid-19, locust, falling economy, and the farmer's protests. It was all China.

Anyway why is the DRDO involved with the glacier burst investigation? Not busy enough already? The Indian Army needs them so much. From missiles to kerosene heaters, to camels, and to vegetables. Does India not have the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change to do that kind of work?
 
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rhino123

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Another classic case of Schrodinger's China. India style. China is both an impotent communist state, and a supervillian at the same time.

The Jai Hinds are just waiting to blame China for the recent tragedy. Then when DRDO said that glacier bursts don't happen in winter. Bingo! It was China! Just like Covid-19, locust, falling economy, and the farmer's protests. It was all China.

Anyway why is the DRDO involved with the glacier burst investigation? Not busy enough already? The Indian Army needs them so much. From missiles to kerosene heaters, to camels, and to vegetables. Does India not have the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change to do that kind of work?
Well... The ministries are all too busy with coming up with formulas that showed that the PLA are weak and for every Indian soldiers death, there are 4 Chinese death...
 

Mt1701d

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Anyway why is the DRDO involved with the glacier burst investigation? Not busy enough already? The Indian Army needs them so much. From missiles to kerosene heaters, to camels, and to vegetables. Does India not have the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change to do that kind of work?
Well... they have people like VK Singh as a minister... I don’t think they have enough remotely competent people for all their ministries... and if we consider the Indian environment... I don’t think the ministry of environment, forest and climate change knows what they are doing...
 

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Some how Chinese military gear is simultaneously cheap reverse engineered junk but also capable of godly feats of weather manipulation; Chinese soldiers are effeminate sissies but some how also capable of under cover sabotage hundreds of miles behind enemy lines without any detection by the Indian military. If you didn't think there is something wrong with their brains, you should now.
I give you, Schroeder’s PLA.
 

ougoah

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Lol Indian media has to ask what an Indian roads and transport minister thinks about Galwan clash.

India takes a civilian roads and transport guy's opinion that "if we suffered fatalities, then China must have suffered at least twice as much".

This. This right here is India summarised. They proceeded to use the 2x+C formula where x is actual admitted Indian deaths (more than 20 were killed) and C is a constant that depends on how insanely Jai Hindi the streetshitter feels that day. Another formula they like to use is ax+C where coefficient a is a function of Jai Hind butthurt.

These idiots believe India made such damage to PLA but mysteriously also got over 40 of their jawans captured. So many Indian captured in June the Chinese had to return them on several occasions. This ain't counting the group of Indian trespassers who were captured in May. Their Jai Hinds called bullshit and were subsequently embarrassed with just one photo. Their leaders saw the rest of the album and quickly soiled their orange panties.

They think they made so much damage to PLA morale that mysteriously they never repeated such an "effective" and "successful" mission??!?!?!?! Very Jai Hind.

How come they didn't retake the disputed thousand or so km^2 that the PLA settled? You know the parts that were disputed that they kept intruding into in their own admission. You don't intrude non-stop into disputed lands more than the other without the other eventually settling the score. This ain't even considering India's bitchy salami slicing moves that started since the Doklam dramafest. Something that was a bilateral question for China and Bhutan. The sanghis just had to hijack Bhutan's sovereignty just to act up a tough big boy image against big bad China.

Very strange set of circumstances for winners who killed 40-100 PLA with only 20 loss. And to have captured zero PLA soldier during that confrontation in June. Compared to the bilaterally admitted Chinese capture of over 40 Indians.

Blowing this volume of hot air up their own arses is all that's really incredible about India.
 
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Sardaukar20

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3) Not only that, India also saw Covid-19 was an opportunity to poach supply chain out of China and has openly engaged in activities in doing so.
Correct. During China's Wuhan Covid-19 crisis. The US-China trade war was still raging. China was getting ripped by the Western media. Themes like "Yellow Alert", China is the Real Sick Man", and Gordon Chang's prediction that finally, China is going down. India must have drank a lot of that Gordon Chang Kool-Aid. Thinking that this is its time to shine. By kicking China when its down.

India launched a full blown smear campaign against China. It was not just the Indian phony media, there were also the Indian companies, Indian government, Indian intellectuals, and even the Indian citizens doing their part. There are media hit pieces, government offering incentives for big corporations to move to India, lobbying in Western countries, and anti-China social media campaigns. Months before Galwan. India had already started a boycott campaign against China. At that time it was because of the "Wuhan Virus". The most well known was the boycotting of Chinese test kits and PPEs.

4) The big picture is that India sensed opportunity and moved to leverage the tension between the US and China, as well as Covid-19, moving closer to the US strategically against China. On top of that, it's very clear India had learned the wrong lesson from the 2017 Doklam Incident when the Indian Army moved into Chinese territory to intervene Chinese building road at the border between China and Bhutan. China showed remarkable restraint to end the standoff by stopping building activities at the site. Later on, Xi and Modi conducted two separate meetings to stablize and manage the relationship. Indian media and strategic community almost unanimously claimed victory and vindication of its "tough" China policy.

The whole premise of Chinese strategic restraint vis-a-vis India and low-profile at the border region towards India is based on India's strategic autonomy and non-alliance posture, or more specifically not joining any group against China. India clearly has misread the intention and behavior from China.

This is where we are today.
Indeed, China made compromises with India during the 2017 Doklam crisis. They stopped their road building and launched a charm offensive with Modi. (I'm not sure today if China walked back on that road building halt agreement. Why bother to honour it anymore?) China had thought that its goodwill will be reciprocated by India. But BJP India had no concept of diplomatic etiquette. To them, China's compromise is a weakness, and India had won by playing hardball. Whether its hubris, or shallow strategic thinking, or both. India thought that China's 'weakness' is something to be taken advantage of. Its an Indian thing to take advantage of another's weakness. After all, India had blockaded Nepal in Sept 2015, when Nepal was still recovering from their April 2015 earthquake.

China had made a mistake in assuming that India's 'non-alignment' is neutrality. India's version of non-alignment is not the same as ASEAN's non-alignment. India wants to be its own hegemon in Asia, but it would also scheme its way to get there. If India could scam (or think it is scamming) another Superpower to take on China for it, all the better. It was the Soviet Union then, its Uncle Sam today. India was already in the US's camp starting from the George W. Bush presidency. India and the US had signed their Civil Nuclear Agreement in 2006, just eight years after India's 1998 Pokhran nuclear tests. How many countries can boast such a quick recovery of ties with the US from nuclear test outrage to signing a nuclear agreement? NK would be so jealous. Plus the US and India had being doing many military exercises already, long before Modi came to power.

In short, India just wants China out of the way. Whether its ruled by the Congress government, or the BJP government. Even in India's early years, India never saw China as a fellow Asian equal who also suffered from Western imperialism. Its was never about anti-imperialism. Its about replacing old Western imperialism with new Indian imperialism.
 
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