Ladakh Flash Point

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azretonov

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Regarding Ladakh, most westerners will not like to see a war in that region

Interesting fact: No one gives a thing about the greater western opinion but the US. Due to its treaties and limited partnership with the US, India reserves the right to consult on topics of national security, and request intelligence assesments and such.

This particular region is surrounded by three nuclear armed nations. Obviously there is no point asking for the opinion of a random bunch across the world, already struggling to keep it up with the developments of its' neighborhood.
 

Xizor

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My intention was to hear why this has been done. Most societies in asia have been male chauvinistic societies whose only work has been to mistreat women, fight wars and try to brag about their manliness. So this article brings to my mind is what China wants to achieve by manliness, more wars comes to my mind and with china in dispute with most of their neighbours ( Japan, Asean, India) I find them connected but someone found it rude which only means a male ego got bruised. I was watching a video of a man beating his wife in public in china and noone came to save her. I feel that can happen anywhere in asia. I wanted to see women in China's top cabinet and found next to none.
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Most Asian societies?
Woman, all of the world are wife beaters. Women were granted right to vote in US by 1950s. Conservative households in US and Europe still are patriarchal.

To say that Asians are especially anti-feminist is a bit disingenuous. Which country is fully feminist? Except for certain western European countries, most nations and societies are "anti-feminist" if the demands for modern feminist movement is to be considered.

China had women representation especially under CCP. One of the good things about "commies" is that they see class Warfare and not gender Warfare. So participation of women were greatly enhanced, relatively speaking a lot, under CCP. The relative upgrade was gargantuan.

Women participation in the workforce has been greatly enhanced in China and literacy is very high. As for if and when they'll achieve the same liberation as enjoyed by north-western European or Noth American women can only be answered by studying the propagation of wealth, urban lifestyle, socio-economic upliftment and spread of cities. All of these are improving and therefore Chinese women will join the ranks of modern Korean women atleast soon.
 

Temstar

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Haha my apologies. Ammm but how will a farmers protest and protests are normal in democracies where a state has not chosen to react is connected to the topic please? Or maybe it is. I don't know. But people have continued to tell me how little my opinion matters but provided me with a lot of topics. I have only answered to a few please. My apologies!
It's related because well, let me point you to another of my reply that you have chosen to not reply to:


Don't you find it odd how whenever there's some domestic issue in India, the government stirs up trouble at the border with either Pakistan or China so that they get a "rally around the flag" effect among the populous? Recall that issue with Ladakh first occurred last year after India's initial lockdown had disastrous results, both economically as well as lack of result in pandemic prevention.

So again, what's your take on the spread of this fake news? Who in India would have the motivation to spread it?
 

han1289

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"In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China, force for force. These are indeed sobering thoughts and therefore our strategy to deal with China would need to be in consonance with these realities ..... Whether in terms of GDP, defense spending or any other economic, social or development parameter, the gap between the two is just too wide to bridge and getting wider by the day,"

11 years on, how accurate is Admiral Sureesh Mehta's assessment?
 

Temstar

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Temstar, I just have been overwhelmed by the number of replies to me. I did not want to rustle some feathers as people here are completely certain that a weak country India has attacked a strong powerful China. I generally join forums to get an opinion which helps me write my topics .There are load of map enthusiasts and osint experts internationally ( and not only european/american) who have pointed to why and how China decided to teach India a lesson. Most experts believed China to start a war in October coinciding with the 1962 war timelines, capture Ladakh swiftly and deal with India by partial withdrawal but they were amazed and stopped by Indian deployments. If grapevine is to believed China was not happy with India in Doklam in 2017/2018 where they had to pay a soft loan circa £20 Billion to get india to vacate quickly before the big congress where XI was projecting power. ( again debunked in foreground but believed to be one of the reasons)
So let me get this straight, "loads of map enthusiasts and osint experts" predicted a war in October 2020 which didn't happen, and you would like us to answer why they were wrong?

Perhaps the premise that they're operating from - that China is the aggressor is in fact... wrong? I seem to recall Modi last year announced on national TV that no Chinese soldiers were ever on Indian land in the wake of 20 deaths on the Indian side. How is it they died then? PLA threw bats across the border?

And finally why will china do it?

China has been accused of starting a pandemic globally, and what better way than to start a war and get entire world in stopping a war and forget about the accusations.
So you think China being accused of starting a war is... better than being accused of starting a pandemic? Where is the logic in that?

If I may go off topic for a bit, on the topic of pandemic, last I recall WHO team is currently in China to do investigation on the origin, this being the third time they've been in China since the start of the Pandemic. In fact one of the expert on the team, Peter Daszak has given his approval, after visiting the Biosafety level 4 lab in Wuhan.
 

Mt1701d

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Most wars are not because of militaries, they are also a product of societies as a whole. My apologies if you have felt bad.
You are correct, war is a product of societies that I have never denied that... however again i don’t see the relevance of this argument when the article is concerned... when it is clearly stated that sports is main focus of the drive, are you suggesting that by improving sports and physical eduction in general, it would drive a society to be more war like? If this is what you are suggesting then why would this only apply to China or Asia? I seem to remember there were many similar drive in western countries too... and you continue to skirt around my question and put the blame on me... As if I feel bad for anything about this conversation, I just really don’t understand what you are attempting to do... and also if you are going attempt an apology at least appear to be sincere about it.
 
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