Ladakh Flash Point

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Mohsin77 said:
Over-estimating is one thing, but we should understand their mindset because that is critical to predicting their moves. The revocation of article 370 was a direct result of this fantasizing. Remember that both the Chinese and Pakistani leadership was surprised by this move. When you're surprised by a move your opponent makes, that means you failed to understand your opponent.

The cause of this failure was a lack of understanding in how deeply rooted the BJP is in the RSS's ideology. All this fantasizing comes from the RSS, which is the support base of the BJP, which has filled India's military, bureaucracy and media with sycophants. I earlier listed the political reasons for India joining the US-led Quad. But as I mentioned, there are complex historical reasons for this Quad alignment as well. Well, here's a quick summary of this very convoluted dimension:

The RSS/BJP believes that in order to secure its Greater India/'Akhand Bharat' fantasy, it will need the US on its side. This isn't just because the US is an opponent of China, but because in the RSS's ideology, the United States is a fellow 'aryan' nation. Yes, this is the same 'aryan race' idea which Hitler used. This 'aryan' concept probably originated in Europe with the British, who literally invented modern racism and then spread it all over the world via their global empire. The RSS later adopted this racist ideology as an insecure response to India's historical domination by the Muslims, allying with the Islamic Civ's nemesis, the West, which itself invented the 'indo-aryan' concept to justify its own 'Caucasian' superiority...

You can see how crazy this all gets and right quick. But there are multiple leaders in the US/EU/India whose support base (not all, but a significant chunk) believes in these ideas. Here's one source, but you can find many others:
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p.s. The RSS's fantasy maps can range from this:

कैसा होता अगर अखंड भारत आज भी होता ? Akhand Bharat ...


To this:

Akhand bharat or 'undivided India as... | India map, India facts ...'undivided India as... | India map, India facts ...


To sometimes this (lolz):

Akhand Bharat (@AkhandBharat2_0) | Twitter
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Quick question, what is RSS?
 
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This was debunked on CJDBY yesterday.
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What was the actual occasion? I didn't see it on CJDBY. Also these fake Chinese twitter accounts, fake Trump, fake Melania, fake Netanyahu accounts are all anti-China pro India and all of them are Indian. One letter misspelled or left out but they're getting promoted and Indians are believing them. For this Chinese twitter, spreading this along with various anti-government material, is truly shameless. How can anyone consider these FLG/Shenyun clowns when they shamelessly take such a video out of its true place and misrepresent it in this way. Then pretend to be all about truth and freedom. Associating themselves with virtues they do not have or represent. Wankers.
 
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ougoah said:
What was the actual occasion? I didn't see it on CJDBY. Also these fake Chinese twitter accounts, fake Trump, fake Melania, fake Netanyahu accounts are all anti-China pro India and all of them are Indian. One letter misspelled or left out but they're getting promoted and Indians are believing them. For this Chinese twitter, spreading this along with various anti-government material, is truly shameless. How can anyone consider these FLG/Shenyun clowns when they shamelessly take such a video out of its true place and misrepresent it in this way. Then pretend to be all about truth and freedom. Associating themselves with virtues they do not have or represent. Wankers.
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The author told the mods to delete it if it is proven fake. Since the thread is no longer there, it probably is fake.
 
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Frankly, I think the nationalist Indians are underestimating the potential harm that they are doing. Let's skip the details of the obvious that most people have already gone through many times, i.e. the goods traded, hit to economy etc.

So my point is this, should the nationalist Indian succeed in this boycott (however unlikely), they would doom their FDI ambitions for a good few decades at the very least. Effectively India will be stuck at low end manufacturing in terms of foreign companies that would want to manufacture anything in India at all, until the Indian domestic market become large enough to justify risks.

Imagine you are a CEO of a company that require the manufacturing of goods, and you are picking locations for a potential factory, I am sure everyone here knows can have an educated guess at the possible initial capital that this might entail for different types of manufacturing. There would be time needed to build the factory, if not structure the machinery will need fitting and calibrations, on top of that you need to train staff, all of which is money that would be need to be spent immediately, with some money invested continuously until you start getting a return.

Now after considering all that as a CEO how would you justify to your investors/board/whatever the risk of investing this amount money, time and equipment into a country with a population that is irrational enough to forgo there own national interest for the sake of nationalist. Also one very important point is the domestic market is not large enough to justify any investment beyond the minimal or industries with a quick and high ROI, so should sh** hit the fan you can get out and write off the investment, also the CEOs job will probably be on the line.

With this sort of environment and possible limited choice of FDI partners you can be sure the foreign company will drive the hardest bargain they possibily can, in terms of gov incentives or lower than low wages, this will further lengthen the time needed for India to grow.

Finally, one of things I don’t think many Indians or much of the world have considered until recently, automation is going to be replacing a lot of jobs in manufacturing, we are seeing this right now and I have always thought that China really got out of dodge at the right time. With a large, poor and under educated population their comparative advantage that I always hear from Indians when they compare China and India in the next 50 years will basically mean very very little. Their wages will have to remain low enough to compete against machines that don’t get tired, don’t need time to eat, drink or rest. They are literally making sure their country remain dirt poor.

Sorry for the long post and sort of off topic but it relates to the possible own goal of the boycott, which in turn was triggered by the flash point.
 
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supersnoop said:
Quick question, what is RSS?
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RSS = Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which is basically super right wing, Hindu nationalist party. So Nazis but for India, Hindu supremacy instead of Nordic supremacy, ummm pantheon of Gods instead of Catholicism/Atheism, brown power instead of white power, Jai Hind instead of Heil Hitler, anti-Muslim and anti-Chinese instead of anti-semitism. Same shit different colours. Half joking but half serious about all this. You don't have a clue how bad it is in India with this ultra right stuff. They're killing Muslims nearly on the daily. Committing atrocities that makes 1960s to 1980s CCP look like a teddybear.
 
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Mt1701d said:
Frankly, I think the nationalist Indians are underestimating the potential harm that they are doing. Let's skip the details of the obvious that most people have already gone through many times, i.e. the goods traded, hit to economy etc.

So my point is this, should the nationalist Indian succeed in this boycott (however unlikely), they would doom their FDI ambitions for a good few decades at the very least. Effectively India will be stuck at low end manufacturing in terms of foreign companies that would want to manufacture anything in India at all, until the Indian domestic market become large enough to justify risks.

Imagine you are a CEO of a company that require the manufacturing of goods, and you are picking locations for a potential factory, I am sure everyone here knows can have an educated guess at the possible initial capital that this might entail for different types of manufacturing. There would be time needed to build the factory, if not structure the machinery will need fitting and calibrations, on top of that you need to train staff, all of which is money that would be need to be spent immediately, with some money invested continuously until you start getting a return.

Now after considering all that as a CEO how would you justify to your investors/board/whatever the risk of investing this amount money, time and equipment into a country with a population that is irrational enough to forgo there own national interest for the sake of nationalist. Also one very important point is the domestic market is not large enough to justify any investment beyond the minimal or industries with a quick and high ROI, so should sh** hit the fan you can get out and write off the investment, also the CEOs job will probably be on the line.

With this sort of environment and possible limited choice of FDI partners you can be sure the foreign company will drive the hardest bargain they possibily can, in terms of gov incentives or lower than low wages, this will further lengthen the time needed for India to grow.

Finally, one of things I don’t think many Indians or much of the world have considered until recently, automation is going to be replacing a lot of jobs in manufacturing, we are seeing this right now and I have always thought that China really got out of dodge at the right time. With a large, poor and under educated population their comparative advantage that I always hear from Indians when they compare China and India in the next 50 years will basically mean very very little. Their wages will have to remain low enough to compete against machines that don’t get tired, don’t need time to eat, drink or rest. They are literally making sure their country remain dirt poor.

Sorry for the long post and sort of off topic but it relates to the possible own goal of the boycott, which in turn was triggered by the flash point.
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It's actually totally hilarious but dimwits fail to see humour and comedy when they are subtle yet still in abundance.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
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Indian side refuses to make any concessions during the latest talks.
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Good for them. We can all respect some final spine showing. I would really be holding it against the CCP, if anything, when they don't capture more disputed territories on top of the already won Galwan valley and lines from Pangong fingers.
 
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