Ladakh Flash Point

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Gatekeeper

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Well it's a pretty solid effort and it's India's first indigenous program to create a domesticated Mirage fighter equivalent but it is about 30 years later than they planned to have it by and is band aid patched up with MK.xyz upgrades that will give it an edge when it gets into service which they have committed to and have a handful of each of the initial variants in service. Those that are already in service recently are basically actual equivalents in capability and modernity to JF-17 block I and II with weaker missiles. Astra's not entirely in service and certainly a long time before in service as mainstay MRAAM in IAF. Even then the Astra's capability and specs don't look that great.

Oh and the much bragged about Uttam AESA radar looks like a primitive prototype of a poorer version of the J-10B's PESA. Smaller too and fed with much less power. Also India's first fighter AESA... as well as India's first domestically developed and manufactured AESA. So yeah won't be that much better than a bug riddled first gen J/APG-1, if it even matches that when it becomes ready.

Meanwhile JF-17 block 3 is to receive a third gen Chinese fighter AESA. Sure it is going to be wildly scaled down with fewer modules and less power than say a J-10C AESA but the block 3's AESA and block 3 will be in PAF service and flying missions before the Tejas MK.x with Uttam and Astra or Meteor/R-77M (if they get authorised) gets into IAF service. IAF and Indian leaders have the dilemma of letting domestic industry starve or purchasing more capable and even more affordable fighters abroad. Seems like they will tread a middle ground.

So in a word. It's 'crap' then.
 

hashtagpls

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The US plan to use India as its sepoy slave soldier went awry, although i doubt indians are going to exhibit the savviness of Filipinos for instance in not going to war with China
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Now that it's clear that the US is committed to using India as against China, India must be destroyed. India Delenda Est.
 

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The US plan to use India as its sepoy slave soldier went awry, although i doubt indians are going to exhibit the savviness of Filipinos for instance in not going to war with China
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Now that it's clear that the US is committed to using India as against China, India must be destroyed. India Delenda Est.
The only thing surprising about these reports (even the term revelations seems to strong since it was obvious from the offset that this was what was happening) is that India went along so stupidly.

Basically US standard MO is to enlist followers with grand promises behind the scenes, but when these followers follow-through with their part of the bargain, they find that they are not only leading the charge against China, but in fact, the US, who they were supposed to be following into battle, didn’t even join the game, and is instead uselessly cheering them on from the sidelines as China limbers up to curb stomp them.

That’s what happened in the SCS, and it’s what’s happening to India now.
 
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The only thing surprising about these reports (even the term revelations seems to strong since it was obvious from the offset that this was what was happening) is that India went along so stupidly.

Basically US standard MO is to enlist followers with grand promises behind the scenes, but when these followers follow-through with their part of the bargain, they find that they are not only leading the charge against China, but in fact, the US, who they were supposed to be following into battle, didn’t even join the game, and is instead uselessly cheering them on from the sidelines as China limbers up to curb stomp them.

That’s what happened in the SCS, and it’s what’s happening to India now.
Just like how trump said he will be leading the mob storming the capitol.
 

hashtagpls

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The only thing surprising about these reports (even the term revelations seems to strong since it was obvious from the offset that this was what was happening) is that India went along so stupidly.

Basically US standard MO is to enlist followers with grand promises behind the scenes, but when these followers follow-through with their part of the bargain, they find that they are not only leading the charge against China, but in fact, the US, who they were supposed to be following into battle, didn’t even join the game, and is instead uselessly cheering them on from the sidelines as China limbers up to curb stomp them.

That’s what happened in the SCS, and it’s what’s happening to India now.
This MO reflects a lack of empathy amongst anglo elites/leadership which is indicative of the sociopathy required to attain high political office in the anglo liberal democratic power structure.
It's like playing a RTS game and goading your AI ally to attack your enemies whilst offering no help at all, instead profiting from their own weakening and the weakening of your enemy. This is how the Anglo FVEYEs think, they simply lack empathy for non white non anglos, and it shows in their strategy.

It's this sort of cookie cutter thinking that convinced the anglo leadership in Washington that they could turn india into china in an effort to pull a Nixon 2.0, but then and again, this is the sort of lazy leadership thinking that forces computer companies in providing backdoors for their own hackers, because their own hackers are too shit.
 

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That’s a bit harsh. Think of it as this century’s J-8II. However, China was embargoed by both the Eastern and Western block during a significant portion of J-8’s development. Not sure what their excuse is.
They were also under sanctions because of their nuclear tests during the 1990s.
Also, there was a backstage diplomatic standoff because an Indian-American tried to steal Intel processors for the Tejas aircraft Computers.
 

Sardaukar20

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The US plan to use India as its sepoy slave soldier went awry, although i doubt indians are going to exhibit the savviness of Filipinos for instance in not going to war with China
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Now that it's clear that the US is committed to using India as against China, India must be destroyed. India Delenda Est.
Well, all I can only say is congratulations America! You've got yourself India! A true partner in crime to contain China. India is a real superpower of Asia!

I mean just look at their military demonstrations. That's some scary stuff! Sends shivers down China's spine!

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Don't worry America. The fate of the Free World is in safe hands. You can always count on Superpower India to stop China! ;)
 

ZeEa5KPul

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It's like playing a RTS game and goading your AI ally to attack your enemies whilst offering no help at all, instead profiting from their own weakening and the weakening of your enemy.
I don't know how that could be seen as anything but good strategy. I would hope China is this cunning.
This is how the Anglo FVEYEs think, they simply lack empathy for non white non anglos, and it shows in their strategy.
Hey, if your "allies" (white or otherwise) are that stupid and easy to manipulate, use them. Once again, I hope China plays the game this well.
 
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