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Chintychin said:
There were reports on every major Indian news outlet this week that a pakistani diplomat admitted to Indian 2019 airstrike on balakot killed 300 in numbers.
Turned out to be Fake.

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Maybe, it's a good thing China has tight media censorship.

Esp, after the Capitol seige in US (fueled by polarized media brainwashing) and the shoddy shit show that is the Indian media.
 
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I think even the Bahkts are secretly envious of China. A while back they posted a photo of Shandong and claimed that it was an Indian carrier before the mistake was rectified. Then you get this piece.

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No matter how much they bash the J-10 and the J-20 on the surface, deep down everyone of them yearns for a “J-10” moment for India.
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I think India needs to look closer to home to see the reality of their so called "J-10" moment. It's South Asian 'nemesis' Pakistan had the JF-17 is in service for around 13 years, and is now entering its 3rd iteration. India's Tejas is only introduced in 2015, 8 years later. Still playing catchup with the JF-17 in terms of production, deployment, sales, combat action, and reputation. Though the J-10s and J-20s were neither exported nor have seen combat yet. They are another league of fighter classes yet to be seen from India's aviation industry.

Here's a rare damning article by an Indian publication about the Tejas:
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(1) Tejas has a very small set of weapons integrated with it, mostly Indian and some Western. So, on one hand, you force countries to buy Indian weapons that don’t work for them – or if you get western, they’ll ask, what’s the benefit of buying Indian?

(2) With Pakistan – the JF17 essentially slots into the Chinese supply chain – which has a HUGE variety of proven and demonstrable weapons. So, people buying the JF-17 already have Chinese weapons to mate or are comfortable with buying Chinese weapons that anyway have a proven track record. In fact, countries with bad human rights records would prefer the Chinese as they don’t impose sanctions.

(3) China has a Security Council Veto and any country buying weapons from China can have significant influence over any Security Council decisions (same with US or French or Russian weapon sales). India has no such Veto.

(4) The JF-17 is just a better-slotted plane – if you’re looking to replace MiG 21-27 and Chinese J6 J7 type fighters or older American fighters like the F4 F5 & F104 or upgrade from armed trainers, then the JF-17 offers the right capability and the right price point.

(5) Tejas is just a very confused aircraft – -it doesn’t fit any known market segment.

(6) JF-17 is a modest fighter but whatever advancements it brings are solid and proven.

(7) Tejas is a nightmare – nothing about it is proven – there’s been too much mixing and matching and it inspires zero purchaser confidence.

(8) Finally, the question of re-export. JF-17 uses mostly Chinese but some Italian (avionics and radar) and Russian (engine) equipment – all of which are cleared for re-export to 3rd countries.

(9) Tejas uses American engines, Israeli radar, and a mishmash of avionics from countries that will never authorize re-export.

Shahid Raza, a defense expert from Pakistan, shared similar reasons for JF-17 dominating its Indian counterpart in international export potential. According to Raza,

(10) Tejas also suffers from the fact that currently there’s no major operator of this aircraft, not even the Indian Air Force, which only has a handful of these aircraft in service. This reduces the confidence of any potential buyer.

“In contrast, the JF-17 Thunder program has seen great success. More than 100 units are in service with the Pakistan Air Force with just as many on order. This makes logistics, spare parts, servicing, training, upgrades, and weapons integration a smooth process. This explains why Myanmar and Nigeria have chosen JF-17 Thunder over other options on the market,” Raza adds.

He says other countries such as Azerbaijan, Iraq, and Argentina are likely to place orders for advanced variants of the JF-17 Thunder, motivated by an affordable price tag, smooth availability of after-sale services and generous financing options, a number of other potential customers.
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All those years of development for a plane with a confused identity. The Tejas Mk1A is priced around $40mil per plane, roughly the same price as a J-10. Though both are single-engine fighters, their capabilities are quite different. The J-10 is a different class of fighter altogether compared to the Tejas. While its true counterpart, the JF-17 of various Blocks is priced at around $25mil to $30+mil.

Looking at historically proven Indian pace. We can estimate that by the time India is able to procure the Tejas in large numbers, the jet would have become a legacy platform. Its looking like yet another case of the HF-24 Marut, an Indian domestic design, destined to be forgotten in history. Thus, instead of a "J-10 moment", India will likely forget about the Tejas, and go back to once again importing foreign fighter jets in the future.
 
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Xsizor said:
Maybe, it's a good thing China has tight media censorship.

Esp, after the Capitol seige in US (fueled by polarized media brainwashing) and the shoddy shit show that is the Indian media.
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Would like be a intern under Chinese leadership just to understand their world view and decision making.
zszczhyx said:
Sources in the defence and security establishment said the Chinese soldier was a young trooper and completely “disoriented” when he was apprehended by the Indian troops Friday. They said he seems to have slid into the Indian side after tripping due to the disorientation.
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They should put gps trackers or something on patrols
 
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