Ladakh Flash Point

reservior dogs said:

That is very unlikely. Pakistan relies on China for survival. They will not allow a foreign mercenary to screw up that relationship. Also China can do some pretty nasty things to Turkey if they do that. Turkey is fighting on so many fronts that China just have to arm their adversaries. No, it is definitely to fight India. Here is an article that talk about it.

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Hi reservior dogs,

Never trust Erdogan and Turkey, they're doing it for their national interest and their dream of an OTTOMAN CALIPHATE DUEX and may use Pakistan as a way of achieving its goal and if you accept it they gonna hang you dry just like what the American did in the AFGHAN WAR. I think Pakistan is smart enough not to repeat that mistake again. Right now Pakistan need to focus on its economic development with CPEC as its core. Importing such unknown violent entity will disrupt that equilibrium. And it will make Pakistan look bad and be a pariah state for allowing itself to be used (as a base for their operation).

And also you did not need their help, right now the tension in LADAKH, China is giving Pakistan a lot of helping hand , a two front war is India worst nightmare. So what value a few thousand mercenary will do to Pakistan compared that to what China will offer?

reservior dogs said:

Just heard the news that Turkish mercenaries are headed to Kashmir to fight India. These folks are hardcore fighters from Syria. India will soon learn what it is like to fight with soldiers that are battle harden in Syria.

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Fake news propped up by Indian Media (You wont see this news reported by Int. outlets). Since Erdogan raised Kashmir issue last year, India has become very salty and are trying to apply the Anti- Pakistan strategy by calling Turkey a state sponsor of terrorism. They started doing the same to Mahathir Muhammad former Malaysian PM (as even he raised K-issue) but he resigned later anyway.

hashtagpls said:

Holy shit, the Indians have commissioned a game on Ladakh

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345632001768886272

We can only watch open mouthed at the awesomeness that is the bhakt army. Jai Hind!

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"Indie game" pardon my pun.

ansy1968 said:

Hi reservior dogs,

Never trust Erdogan and Turkey, they're doing it for their national interest and their dream of an OTTOMAN CALIPHATE DUEX and may use Pakistan as a way of achieving its goal and if you accept it they gonna hang you dry just like what the American did in the AFGHAN WAR. I think Pakistan is smart enough not to repeat that mistake again. Right now Pakistan need to focus on its economic development with CPEC as its core. Importing such unknown violent entity will disrupt that equilibrium. And it will make Pakistan look bad and be a pariah state for allowing itself to be used (as a base for their operation).

And also you did not need their help, right now the tension in LADAKH, China is giving Pakistan a lot of helping hand , a two front war is India worst nightmare. So what value a few thousand mercenary will do to Pakistan compared that to what China will offer?

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I completely agree that Erdogan is "Ottomana" wannabe, but i doubt he directly has anything against China. Typical domestic consumption story will pop up, but i don't think he has any interest in interfering with internal Chinese matter now.
In fact, i quite like the fact that his ottoman wannabe attitude has created trouble for so called alliance called NATO which is US vassal.
He is first guy i've seen having the gut to stand against US & it's vassals. I would actually like him to continue it.

But TBH, this news seems fake.

Kaeshmiri said:

Fake news propped up by Indian Media (You wont see this news reported by Int. outlets). Since Erdogan raised Kashmir issue last year, India has become very salty and are trying to apply the Anti- Pakistan strategy by calling Turkey a state sponsor of terrorism. They started doing the same to Mahathir Muhammad former Malaysian PM (as even he raised K-issue) but he resigned later anyway.

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Hi Kaeshmiri,

I know a lot of Pakistan forum members admire Turkey, but Erdogan is punching above his weight, the reach of their power is the same with Pakistan (they're only advantage is they're closer to Europe). They're not even a Regional power to be reckon with, see how many misadventure he allow Turkey to be involved with mixed result , mostly on the losing side , draining Turkey financial resources and damaging Turkey international prestige. Now that is not a model to be copied.

ansy1968 said:

Hi Kaeshmiri,

I know a lot of Pakistan forum members admire Turkey, but Erdogan is punching above his weight, the reach of their power is the same with Pakistan (they're only advantage is they're closer to Europe). They're not even a Regional power to be reckon with, see how many misadventure he allow Turkey to be involved with mixed result , mostly on the losing side , draining Turkey financial resources and damaging Turkey international prestige. Now that is not a model to be copied.

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While Turkey is definitely not in a a good financial state. Their ability to project power is much better than Pakistan. Idk how you said that they're mostly on the losing side. Victories in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and Libyan conflict proved that Turkey is a respectable Regional military power and their geostrategic location will always make them an important country.

With regards to losing International prestige that is just not dependent on him. If US and its allies decide to damage your reputation & economy then there's nothing much you can do about it (China is a victim of it).

ansy1968 said:

Hi reservior dogs,

Never trust Erdogan and Turkey, they're doing it for their national interest and their dream of an OTTOMAN CALIPHATE DUEX and may use Pakistan as a way of achieving its goal and if you accept it they gonna hang you dry just like what the American did in the AFGHAN WAR. I think Pakistan is smart enough not to repeat that mistake again. Right now Pakistan need to focus on its economic development with CPEC as its core. Importing such unknown violent entity will disrupt that equilibrium. And it will make Pakistan look bad and be a pariah state for allowing itself to be used (as a base for their operation).

And also you did not need their help, right now the tension in LADAKH, China is giving Pakistan a lot of helping hand , a two front war is India worst nightmare. So what value a few thousand mercenary will do to Pakistan compared that to what China will offer?

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First, I think this news of Turkish mercenaries is probably fake. Pakistan has gone through too much of Islamic terrorism to play this game. They are doing the right things now. Working on their military, and staying away from any CIA terrorist sponsorship games.

On to Erdogan. Exactly. China and Pakistan must keep their distance from Erdogan. Despite his stance on the Kashmir issue. His Neo-Ottoman adventures are causing issues for Russia and China.

For Russia, he has meddled with Russian interests in Syria, Libya, Armenia-Azerbaijan, and Ukraine. His Neo-Ottoman nonsense is spreading Islamic extremism into Russia, and the CIS states.

For China, he had used the Turkistan Islamic Party to achieve his goals in Syria. That, is an Uighur terrorist group with recruits from ETIM terrorists in China. They were behind the 2015 Bangkok bombing that was targeted mainly at Chinese tourists in Thailand. Then, Erdogan's affiliation with Mesut Ozil, got Ozil to promote ETIM rhethoric against China. Its has dragged the Chinese Xinjiang controversy into EPL football.

So Erdogan, despite his problems with India, cannot be trusted at all. You could buy all the high tech Turkish armaments you like. But just don't get sucked into his Neo-Ottoman world. It'll be a terrible mistake.

Sardaukar20 said:

For China, he had used the Turkistan Islamic Party to achieve his goals in Syria. That, is an Uighur terrorist group with recruits from ETIM terrorists in China. They were behind the 2015 Bangkok bombing that was targeted mainly at Chinese tourists in Thailand. Then, Erdogan's affiliation with Mesut Ozil, got Ozil to promote ETIM rhethoric against China. Its has dragged the Chinese Xinjiang controversy into EPL football.

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Yea that was totally messed up. Ozil is one of my most fav player. Yet his theatrics was way off the line in that regard . Specially for a guy playing in EU leagues in countries that are responsible for invasion & colonization, not to mention degrading other's faith in name of freedom of speech in exactly same way he accused China of doing.
No idea if he said anything regarding recent french fry's cartoon saga.

Kaeshmiri said:

While Turkey is definitely not in a a good financial state. Their ability to project power is much better than Pakistan. Idk how you said that they're mostly on the losing side. Victories in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and Libyan conflict proved that Turkey is a respectable Regional military power and their geostrategic location will always make them an important country.

With regards to losing International prestige that is just not dependent on him. If US and its allies decide to damage your reputation & economy then there's nothing much you can do about it (China is a victim of it).

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Hi Kaeshmiri,

Victories in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and Libyan conflict proved that Turkey is a respectable Regional military power and their geostrategic location will always make them an important country.

Sorry I have to disagree the winner of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is Russia. It's Russian sphere of influence naturally the two warring country gravitate to her not Turkey, here Erdogan overplayed his hand resulting in Russia deploying troops in that region as peacemaker. Regarding Libya again he overreach making new enemies along the way with France , Greece and EGYPT a regional power. The only theater with a relative chances of success is Syria, but Putin block his effort by supporting Assad publicly and deploy troops. So Turkey is in a worst situation were it's every move are being watch with suspicious by it's neighbor. Her only ally is Germany and the US (which had bases in Turkey). Let see What the new Biden administration will do, they had an unfinished business with ASSAD to deal with.

Nobonita Barua said:

Yea that was totally messed up. Ozil is one of my most fav player. Yet his theatrics was way off the line in that regard . Specially for a guy playing in EU leagues in countries that are responsible for invasion & colonization, not to mention degrading other's faith in name of freedom of speech in exactly same way he accused China of doing.
No idea if he said anything regarding recent french fry's cartoon saga.

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I am risking getting into trouble with off topic content. But I just have to say something about Ozil. Because it was personal for me.

I feel you. Ozil was one of my absolute favourite players of this generation. Also playing in Arsenal, they club I support. I had a jersey with his name. I've backed the guy with almost cult level reverence. I've backed him through the many criticisms he has taken in the EPL. I've really backed him during his 2018 World Cup fiasco. When Germany turned on him. And he later accused the German FA of racism. I've backed him through all of that.

But in 2019, his promotion of ETIM ideology against China was just the ultimate slap in the face. What's worse, he then criticized Arsenal FC for not supporting his stance against China. If he wanted to speak out for his Muslim compatriots. Why didn't he speak up against UK, US, France, Israel, and India? He didn't. He was very specific about his ETIM agenda against China.This was too far too unforgivable for me. Arsenal FC did the right thing to distance away from politics and froze him out of the team.

Unfortunately. Many Arsenal fans bought into Ozil's BS and started blaming China for the club's woes. It stupidly split the fanbase into anti-China justice warriors on one side, and non-politicals on the other side. Ozil's rebellion against the club wrecked the Arsenal team cohesion and their football suffered. And surprise, surprise. Who is backing Ozil all this time and blasting Arsenal for his treatment? None other than Erdogan, his best man at his wedding. I really hate Erdogan.