Ladakh Flash Point

Mt1701d said:

Makes one wonder! It explains why the Indian armed forces position seems so spartan, soldier psychology be damned, morale come out of nowhere and guts is the only thing needed to win wars, seems India has been learning history at least... just not sure if the example of French army thinking at the beginning of WW1 is the right way to go in the modern age tho...

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Care to expand on the spartan thinking by the french at ww1? Sounds intriguing.

hashtagpls said:

Care to expand on the spartan thinking by the french at ww1? Sounds intriguing.

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The spartan thinking is not directly related to French army thinking at the beginning of WW1... I was comparing more on the part where only morale and guts were needed for war... If my memory serves, at the beginning of WW1 the french was still in the thinking of the 1800s with line infantry marching into battle to face each other was the norm... the thinking was that you win war by have the morale and guts to face the enemy in tight infantry line formation... as a direct result their armies at the beginning of WW1 were cut down by, at the time new, machine guns.

In this case the Indian army seems to think that soldier morale is natural and comes from nowhere and that the guts to face the elements and enemy is the only thing needed, hence the spartan environment their troops faces. Effectively this article is saying that the thinking that begun developing from the end of world WW1, where soldier psychological conditions were starting to be taken seriously is irrelevant. Therefore they are learning history but just the wrong lessons...

Mt1701d said:

In this case the Indian army seems to think that soldier morale is natural and comes from nowhere and that the guts to face the elements and enemy is the only thing needed, hence the spartan environment their troops faces. Effectively this article is saying that the thinking that begun developing from the end of world WW1, where soldier psychological conditions were starting to be taken seriously is irrelevant. Therefore they are learning history but just the wrong lessons...

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If they do, i'm sure we'll be subject to the spectacle of watching Pajeets actually fight, which would i'm sure, be a sight truly to behold.

I give it a few more weeks-months even- before we start seeing desertions or frozen corpses of Bakhts

If the Indian morale is so high then why are they committing suicide so often?

Sardaukar20 said:

Modi may be next in line. Trouble with Indian politics is, there is a proven track record of using military solutions to win an election. It has worked with the 2019 Balakot air strike. Before that, Modi was facing unfavourable polls. After the air strike and all the anti-Pakistan hysteria. Modi won the election by a bigger mandate than his first election victory. If Modi loses the polls for the next election again. You can bet they could try something stupid again.

But in a counter argument, the BJP currently enjoys the second best approval rating of any ruling party in the world. About 70%. Which is second to the CCP. That means they should be at least popular as hell with the Indian population. India's democracy is not based on rationality and meritocracy. So we cannot judge it from a Western democracy perspective. We will continue to see widespread support for stupid, incompetent, racist, and violent leaders in India for the forseable future.

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Obama in his book has already spelled out populism in India which is based on hatred of Pakistan and Muslims.
There is the religious aspect of building temples
More temples = more votes.

Bright Sword said:

Obama in his book has already spelled out populism in India which is based on hatred of Pakistan and Muslims.
There is the religious aspect of building temples
More temples = more votes.

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Unfortunately the poverty and high religiosity and low education means more indians, which means more fresh bodies for the Hindutva to throw against PLA machine guns, and the Indian Elites will opt for this rather than the alternative which is Arab Spring: Indian Boogaloo.

Don't know if anyone has seen this.
and if the report showing frozen soldiers is correct.This would not be liked by the Quad friend:

Sorry to go off-topic.
There was no power block by the time Obama was president. But now, two blocks (1) USA (2) China/Russia exist practically.
So now all US presidents will shake good hands with India and will hate China,Russia,Pakistan etc.
I heard while China is constructing big Dam to revert Chinese river water toward Chinese lands, India and USA are warning China, not to construct those dams. What is your opinion ?

zszczhyx said:

I think Indians are jealous of what PLA has.

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New Delhi: The morale of Chinese's People Liberation Army (PLA) troops deployed along Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Eastern Ladakh under harsh weather and terrain conditions is extremely low, top intelligence agencies said.

To boost the troops' morale, China has started to set up recreation centres comprising a fitness centre, heated swimming pools, hot tubs, library and other facilities, sources said.

China has deployed thousands of its troops along the LAC with India in a bid to change the status quo on the borders. Now with the winter setting in and the temperature dipping to as low as minus 30-degree Celsius, the troops' condition has worsened with less rotation on the ground. "This is a matter of concern for the PLA," said a source, adding that PLA troops' "morale is extremely low now".

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Lol... The PLA troops are treated to warm meals, hot tubs, gyms, and other good stuff. So their morale must be extremely low?

Fine, going by this logic. Can you imagine the utter depression Indian troops must be going through having to deal with insufficient warm clothing, horrible cold meals, ramshackle shelters, and no hot tubs? Becareful, those Indian soldiers could be so depressed, they could be suicidal or going insane! Lol...

Sometimes Indian media is so hilarious. That's good for this forum. Helps to lighten the mood once in awhile.

Tsin Phan said:

Sorry to go off-topic.
There was no power block by the time Obama was president. But now, two blocks (1) USA (2) China/Russia exist practically.
So now all US presidents will shake good hands with India and will hate China,Russia,Pakistan etc.
I heard while China is constructing big Dam to revert Chinese river water toward Chinese lands, India and USA are warning China, not to construct those dams. What is your opinion ?

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India is only being used as a distraction. Those who want to contain China via India have long since woken up to the reality that India is not up to the task. India has tensions on two critical fronts with two nations who have become allies.
No country is going to come and physically fight China on India's behalf Weapons will be sold because there is money to be made and the last cent must be squeezed out of the Indian taxpayer to fund the war industry abroad .
Warnings from the "powers that be " on behalf of India mean little