Ladakh Flash Point

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52051 said:
More details about the ecounter has surfaced from Chinese social networks, videos and pictures will be avaible

It seems that the Indians are even more pathetic than I expected:

(1)The so-called 8 hours fight is actually something like ~10 min fight plus 7hour and 50 mins PLA search&rescue mission, after the commander get killed by PLA, the indian troop is basically melt-down
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(2)The PLA soldiers with red-cross tag are there to resuce indians and the indians are so scared of PLA, such that the some of the indians jump into cold water even when they saw red-cross soldier ask them to come back
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, that's why even after 8 hours PLA only manage to resuce 50 or so indian "soldiers".

(3) Most of the resuced indian "soldiers" are detained briefly then released.

(4) The situation is so fucking embrassing such that according to the PLA soldiers decribed the reactions that the indians who saw PLA there is even worse than the reaction some criminals who saw they are encircled by SWAT or chicken saw wolf.
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(5) The best part of this is: ALL THIS IS ON RECORD, WITH VIDEO ANS PICTURES, and the PLA can release all these stuff if Indian jumps enough high
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You should see the Indian defence forum
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Don't need to. Even in Western forums Indian members talk of hitting back at China through Tibet and Xinjiang

an extract from their conversation is below


" don't know if India plans to take the fight into Tibet. Things change in that scenario. If the Chinese account of the '86 standoff I posted earlier is true India did plan on extending its borders northward to the Yarlung.

If we are defending we can give them more than a bloody nose.

The only factor in question is staying power.

We'd need to be at it for at least a month.
Tibet most definitely would be on the cards, why are we paying those men from Establishment 22 otherwise?


Nobody is going to deny us arms.
Bloody correct. Times have changed. "
 
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The only issue I have with this account is how could these soldiers be so cowardly as to scramble once their CO is killed? As mentioned, these are mountain troops in a “hot” border. They should have a little more discipline than that.

Taking into account the PRC foreign ministry account of events, is it possible that the Indian colonel was on a “not officially sanctioned” mission to intrude past the LAC after the initial deescalation?

That could explain the small party, overwhelming PLA opposition, also the haphazard retreat since they shouldn’t have been there, also maybe why there was no help. Probably why there are scant official statements from the Indian army, only the typical Indian media boasts.
 
solarz

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B.I.B. said:
Don't need to. Even in Western forums Indian members talk of hitting back at China through Tibet and Xinjiang

an extract from their conversation is below


" don't know if India plans to take the fight into Tibet. Things change in that scenario. If the Chinese account of the '86 standoff I posted earlier is true India did plan on extending its borders northward to the Yarlung.

If we are defending we can give them more than a bloody nose.

The only factor in question is staying power.

We'd need to be at it for at least a month.
Tibet most definitely would be on the cards, why are we paying those men from Establishment 22 otherwise?


Nobody is going to deny us arms.
Bloody correct. Times have changed. "
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I believe the appropriate Chinese saying here is: 打嘴炮. AKA Shooting off your mouth. Very common phenomenon on the internet.
 
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supersnoop said:
The only issue I have with this account is how could these soldiers be so cowardly as to scramble once their CO is killed? As mentioned, these are mountain troops in a “hot” border. They should have a little more discipline than that.

Taking into account the PRC foreign ministry account of events, is it possible that the Indian colonel was on a “not officially sanctioned” mission to intrude past the LAC after the initial deescalation?

That could explain the small party, overwhelming PLA opposition, also the haphazard retreat since they shouldn’t have been there, also maybe why there was no help. Probably why there are scant official statements from the Indian army, only the typical Indian media boasts.
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In pre-firearm warfare, most of the casualties that are incurred in a battle happen when one side breaks formation and is routed. It seems this incident happened at night, so the Indian soldiers might not be able to see how many enemies were there. Since this is mountainous terrain, a hasty retreat in the dark would very likely result in deaths and injuries from falls.
 
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solarz said:
In pre-firearm warfare, most of the casualties that are incurred in a battle happen when one side breaks formation and is routed. It seems this incident happened at night, so the Indian soldiers might not be able to see how many enemies were there. Since this is mountainous terrain, a hasty retreat in the dark would very likely result in deaths and injuries from falls.
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This would only bolster my theory. The Indian CO could have underestimated the manpower of the PLA response manpower (due to darkness), told his men to stand ground, then quickly got overwhelmed. Maybe he still tried be brave, got clocked and killed, and that’s when everyone realized it was a SNAFU scenario.
 
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There is clear confusion in Indian Political and Military leadership,Modi's address has opened another Pandora's box.If no one is in Indian territory,what were Indian Army troops doping in Galawan Valley.Initially Defence minister Rajnath Singh and even military commanders accepted that Indian territory was violated.India has put her forces on high alert,What for.India is boycotting Chinese Goods,what for..this is called Incompetent leadership and crisis in chain of command.If no one is in Indian territory then Chinese stance is correct,India violated the LAC
 
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supersnoop said:
This would only bolster my theory. The Indian CO could have underestimated the manpower of the PLA response manpower (due to darkness), told his men to stand ground, then quickly got overwhelmed. Maybe he still tried be brave, got clocked and killed, and that’s when everyone realized it was a SNAFU scenario.
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Failure of chain of command and intelligence,there are no iffs and buts in war
 
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