Probably 30% of the cost is kickbacks.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Probably 30% of the cost is kickbacks.
I don't see how risking a $100mil drone is somehow better than a manned CAS platform
They don't want more Abhinadans?
China settled its border with Russia in 1991, with Vietnam in 1999. During that time, everyone was, to some degree, a U.S. ally. Russia was trying to get into NATO. India was further away from the U.S. than Russia was. China settled its borders because it does not want that to get into the way of its own economic ascend. India did not settle because it has illusion of grandeur. It fancy itself as an expanding empire and wanted to control Tibet. Also it suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Chinese and its politicians cannot swallow the pride to do what is in the country's best long term interest. In 1990, China did not single out India for special treatment.
Of course, now the power disparity have grown and India has antagonized China in its stupid overture to the West. China will make sure it pays a price for that act. A border settlement, though still strongly in the long term interest of India, will cost it more. Unfortunately, India does not have a politician that has the courage and wisdom to go down that path.
The only thing all of us (you guys included) know is that F8 to F4 is firmly held by PLA where this was not the case in the past because Indians not only claimed F4 to F8 but also conducted patrols at least up to F8. This doesn't happen anymore.
We both agree that both sides make claims that run into where IA and PLA are currently sitting. These parts are still disputed. The difference between what the two of us are saying is that China has almost certainly settled some disputed territory - F8 to F4. You don't disagree with that but what about Mukhpari and Reqin La? While these southern points are claimed by China, nothing has changed since before 2020. PLA hasn't made moves to settle these points.
You're making it sound like India army has managed to capture them when they were never in China's possession! Literally nothing has changed south of Pangong lake. If China claims New Delhi can you call it a victory that India is still sitting pretty on New Delhi? Look at the same maps you're talking about. PLA made moves only north of Pangong lake and captured around 1000 square Km of land between Finger 4 and pp13/14 in Galwan valley. These were claimed by India in the past and IA patrolled them. Now they don't.
When it comes to southern points, status quo from pre-2020 remains and India is making it sound like they've heroically captured positions from PLA control when nothing has happened except Indian patrols and momentary "intrusions" (as defined by China).
I don't know if Indians are truly just shifting goalposts and playing with semantics but the delta here is China has unilaterally settled close to 1000km^2 of land north of Pangong lake and the difference in detail is important. The settled land is no go for India anymore whereas India wants to provoke south of lake but they've since stopped.
Don't understand why Indians are proud of the fact China claims lands they are sitting on. Yes that's obvious. This has been the case for 70 years. India claims lands China is sitting on as well. Why these people still fail to comprehend the full scope of the situation is beyond me. Is it really that pathetic you have to talk about land that India has always been sitting on as an achievement? You didn't take anything from PLA. PLA however has settled ~10km deep from PP13/14 to Finger 4. This wasn't taken from IA but is unilaterally settling half the dispute on this side.
I'd like to see India try and militarily settle its claims like PLA did. They haven't, won't, and cannot. So India claims F4 to F8, why let PLA take it?? India claims Reqin and beyond but after patrolling into mountains just past Reqin, they promptly left. This happened about two months ago and IA was on the edge of its claims for about a day while CCP made some very public announcements of India's intrusion for propaganda. Then they drummed up the fact that India has very quickly left before PLA even made their way over to expel them.
I'd like to see India try and militarily settle its claims like PLA did. They haven't, won't, and cannot. So India claims F4 to F8, why let PLA take it?? India claims Reqin and beyond but after patrolling into mountains just past Reqin, they promptly left. This happened about two months ago and IA was on the edge of its claims for about a day while CCP made some very public announcements of India's intrusion for propaganda. Then they drummed up the fact that India has very quickly left before PLA even made their way over to expel them.
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If that is not your understanding then you lack understanding. I know how to debate true to a topic with replies to the point and you don't. Everything you said was either a misunderstanding of what I wrote (due entirely to your faulty English) or a digression which I may or may not agree with but is irrelevant to the point of contention. Essentially, you've rambled, but never been able to actually reply to me.
Did you even bother reading the exchange to which the post you quoted was in response to? If you did, you'd notice that the criticisms on argument and dialogue was more than deserved. Rather than attacking another member, if you want to get in between what is clearly a two way discussion between two members, perhaps try adding something of value.
Yeah right. I am talking about his funny trend of off topic and ridiculing others English skills in many of his posts. Not just this one.
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