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Oh, about the India vs China university case, I think it should have been obvious from the surrounding context that I was referring to tertiary enrollment levels:

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Oh, about the India vs China university case, I think it should have been obvious from the surrounding context that I was referring to tertiary enrollment levels:

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I'd rather Chinese schools remove unnecessary K-12 classes and replace them with college level stuff. Then they can go to technical schools and university if they really want to.

Too many people wasting time in college.
 

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I'd rather Chinese schools remove unnecessary K-12 classes and replace them with college level stuff. Then they can go to technical schools and university if they really want to.

Too many people wasting time in college.

In the French system, you have people going to college or rather "prepas", then entering a Grandes Ecole (equivalent to graduate schools or 5-year BS/MS programs) at 18. That's potentially an option for Chinese education reform, i.e, having grad school preparation programs and dumping teenagers into grad school.
 

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In the French system, you have people going to college or rather "prepas", then entering a Grandes Ecole (equivalent to graduate schools or 5-year BS/MS programs) at 18. That's potentially an option for Chinese education reform, i.e, having grad school preparation programs and dumping teenagers into grad school.
You have world's best education system in your neighbor Japan, South Korea. Why would you go to France?
 

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You have world's best education system in your neighbor Japan, South Korea. Why would you go to France?

I'm not very familiar with SK, but I know with the Japanese system, what you have is a very strong secondary education system and a lackluster tertiary education system. Under the old "lifetime employment" system the challenge was to get into a good university, and once you got into a good university, you could just idle about if you didn't need a masters. Then, you got picked out by a Keiretsu firm, and it would be the Keiretsu firm that'd do on-the-job training.

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And for that matter, China is scoring higher than both SK and Japan in PISA, at least the BSJZ entities are (Beijing Shanghai Jiangsu Zhejiang). If you look at China as a whole, its PISA (secondary-school performance) is more likely to be comparable to Eastern European countries, but the best Chinese secondary education is effectively China's own secondary education model, without having to resort to South Korea, Japan, and Singapore.
 

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India just gave away submarine to Myanmar few days ago.
Hey, maybe they read my proposed idea here of china setup a naval base at Myanmar ready to attack indian navy at Andaman island as they planning to intercept Chinese merchant ships once war break out.
So, they quickly want to draw Myanmar to its orbit. Chinese Naval base at Myanmar would be serious threat to indian Andaman.
 

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Please provide evidence of this, such as papers published, etc.
Yes they are . Lets take the case of India's so called "engineering colleges" that function from rooftops, garages, and apartments, with no workshops labs or libraries.
These are the so called "affiliated" colleges run by education mafias printing out degrees for "donation" fees. The Anna University in Tamil Nadu has more than 500 + so called "engineering colleges " . In the cultural set up in India an " engineer " is one who sits doing paper work in the office not one working bside a gas turbine test rig . Working with the hands is considered lowly. An NPR report sums up the system:
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Western countries in their quest for cheap drudgery clerical labor have reduced what ever remains of the Indian technical workforce into automatons.
It is these so-called "engineers" who work as drafters and key board punchers at the business provider outsourcing offices in India. The original software development is done in thd USA and the code entry, debugging, and test running is done in India. Likewise, from Pressure cooker handles to pneumatic valve elements the drudgery of converting decades of 2D hand drafted drawings to 3D CAD models is done by the Indian " engineers". This was not always the case. The interaction with the Soviet Union had resulted in a modest design and development capability. India designed and manufactured some of its equipment; though even these were crude copies of Soviet designs.
India has even lost the capability to copy.
Indians do copy in a different way. See below.
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This is off topic and needs a separate thread but briefly if moderators allow:
The Indian Education Conundrum.
The malaise in the Indian educational system and ill trained productive manpower has a variety of reasons which are a mix of a religious cultural environment and colonial legacy. India got the worst of both.
Culturally education is acceptable only to particular castes despite past attempts at promoting a secular rational outlook. When the Defense Minister of India Mr.Jagjeevan Ram died, his office was swabbed and purified with "holy" water from the Ganges river before his replacement ( a higher caste) occupied it. This malaise extends to University professors also.
India's colonial legacy and lack of language reforms has resulted in a heavy reliance on the English language as a medium of quality education when India is pitifully short of English language teachers, and English literacy is only a fraction of the total literacy in India. The British under a deliberate policy suppressed the development of indigenous languages and imposed English as an official language for the convenience of their ruling officials. A small number of English language schools and convents run mainly by Catholic Jesuit priests and nuns catered to an Anglo Indian community aimed at producing a class of clerks ( or babus) as they are called. The vast majority of Indians ( who were allowed to study by caste) were left to study in primitive religious country schools known as pathshalas studying mainly religious texts. After independence the Jesuits were unwelcome on account of their proselytizing activity. India was left with an even greater shortage of English language teachers, The Southern States in India reverted to teaching in the native language with English as a secondary language and in any case were far more tolerant of the Jesuit institutions.
With the majority of India's population concentrated in five Hindi speaking Northern states ( which also control India's political orientation) the eclipse of English and consequently the decline in the standard of education is markedly visible.
China's path towards 100% literacy and education was remarkable most important of all was the restructuring of Mandarin and development of Pinyin. When the Jesuits and missionary teachers left for Hong Kong and then for Taiwan it didn't make any difference. Mandarin is a world language where a student can study engineering and medicine in the language just as Russians,French,Germans can study in their own language. A Telugu medium student in India can't do his PhD in Fluid Dynamics and Thermal Engineering in Telugu.
 
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