The last sentence is so true. That's why is so difficult to have a meaningful adult debate with the member of the A-Team. His constant cherry picking to suit his world view in his head.
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The last sentence is so true. That's why is so difficult to have a meaningful adult debate with the member of the A-Team. His constant cherry picking to suit his world view in his head.
Because being Chinese we prefer Chinese food? That goes for both why not buy hot food at the ski resort as well as why buy PLA MRE. I've tried Australian army ration before, even have one of those crazy spoon thing, it was fine. Trying PLA MRE would give it a good comparison.
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Yes, thanks for repeating yourself. I made it clear that the Indian Army meals might be worse than PLA MREs.
I was suggesting that Temstar might want to reconsider giving his wife MREs on holiday, especially ones that aren't nearly the best available on the open market. You know, because some women might not like that.
Sure, but the MRE is just rice with stuff in it, plus some snacks. It's pretty unrelated to any meal a normal Chinese person would eat.
If you want to try PLA MREs that's fine, but I thought the point was you bought the MREs because you didn't want to pay ski restaurant prices. If you wanted to try a PLA MRE for your own lunch, that would be completely reasonable.
You obviously know your wife better than I do. It's just that of all the Chinese women I've known (even the ones I dated), I can't think of any that would have wanted to eat an MRE on holiday unless we were still in our early 20s and broke. As a man I can appreciate how another guy might think that MREs are a cool solution to expensive holiday food, but women that agree are a small minority. Of those, I would say that most would be willing to have something outside their comfort zone if it was tasty.
Anyway, I hope you get on well with your MREs.
EDIT: Sorry for the MRE diversion, Siege.
Alright guys the MRE discussions were fun and all but let's return to topic.
Thanks for intervening.
I actually mentioned it in a strategic/tactical context with respect to the Ladakh standoff. MREs have tactical implications, particularly since hot meals were mentioned by the "Global Times "
To the best of our knowledge none of the South Asian nations have any kind of MREs, far less self heating ones.
China is a notable exception to the rule. Ensuring that soldiers are well equipped and well provisioned speaks volumes for the love and respect their nation gives them.
The PLA soldiers deserve and get the best their grateful nation can give them.,
It should be noted too that whenever possible PLA avoids using MRE and instead prefer freshly prepared meal from field kitchens. You can see glimpses of those field kitchens in the UAV meal delivery videos earlier in the thread. And of course they have that mobile bakery truck.
To retain the seriousness of my intent in making that post, it is not just MREs and kitchens but the whole environment. The PLA is a First World army with the best equipment for its soldiers. It's been a long and hard struggle from the frozen wastes of Chosun and the Ludling Bridge when the PLA fought with the bare minimum . Today the quality and standard of equipment of the PLA soldier matches any international standard whether it is NATO or the US but the spirit of Chosun lives on two generations later.
There is no comparison in South Asia and no South Asian nation comes even close in caring for their soldiers the way China does.
It is not just artillery and guns that wins the war. A soldier must be proud of his nation and be willing to fight to the last. Likewise a grateful and patriotic citizenry honors and respects its troops by giving them the best of the best they can offer. China has demonstrated quietly that it honors its fighting men and its fighting men honor their flag and their nation with no quarter asked and no quarter given.
The spirit of Ludling lives on.
There is no comparison in South Asia and no South Asian nation comes even close in caring for their soldiers the way China does.
It is not just artillery and guns that wins the war. A soldier must be proud of his nation and be willing to fight to the last. Likewise a grateful and patriotic citizenry honors and respects its troops by giving them the best of the best they can offer. China has demonstrated quietly that it honors its fighting men and its fighting men honor their flag and their nation with no quarter asked and no quarter given.
The spirit of Ludling lives on.
The problem is his portrayal of the causes for tensions being entirely China's fault. He mentions that China broke "agreements" to unilaterally make these moves in 2020. The second half of that is true but as far as I'm aware there has never been any agreements, not even informal ones. China has always stood by the claim lines from the 1950s and have never ceded territory to India or agreed on LAC. The Indian LAC is entirely India's perception of a fluid border which they have been salami slicing for decades. Again he attributes India's own actions onto China.
China fought a war and achieved the objectives of the war despite unilaterally de-escalating after it was made clear further continuation of that war would only result in Chinese victory but incredibly high losses on both sides. There was no need for further war once the point was made. The Indians recognised this and was given pre-war positions so that the issue could be resolved by "the wisdom of future generations" - Deng. Deng really means resolved by the unilateral actions of the superior power in the future. Which is exactly what is happening. The upside is this is being resolved with minimal violence as Indian leaders recognise the indisputable superiority of PLA over Indian military, Chinese economy over India's, and China's industrial capabilities over India.
So no there was never any agreement and the maker of the video lied about this (but of course he would misrepresent the truth). This sort of thing is rife within Indian circle jerks. They have no realisation of all the facts and cannot seem to appreciate the entirety of a complex topic like the border war. Everything to them is some low grade child-like ego contest. What can we expect from such savages like Hindutva gang.
So the truth is revealed even by some Indians now, albeit with heavy bias and devilish manipulation of the facts using semantics. China has always claimed to the red line in his video and has never agreed to India's claims. So there cannot have been any "breaking" of fictional agreements. Without overcoming this small but important detail, Indians will never be able to make the psychological leap to accept why it is that this situation is occurring.
The truth is revealed to those who understand the full breadth of the comprehensive history of this dispute. It is that China has foolishly* allowed India to continue small but symbolic patrols well within Chinese claimed territory. Of course PLA has also been conducting patrols deep into Indian claimed territory during these decades. Such is the nature of a territorial dispute. Neither side has precedent or any solid reasons that make their claim superior to the other! Therefore the issue is either resolved diplomatically (continues to fail) or with confrontation like it has been since the 1950s. The superior power takes the territory as is the natural path when both claims are equally reasonable (or unreasonable) and when diplomacy fails to find a solution that avoids confrontation.
*China's ignoring of India's patrolling and salami slicing can be sort of explained away because it has been very much focused on more important things from the 1950s until recent years. It hasn't industrialised back then and it had immense social issues, rife with poverty, low education, fewer resources, much poorer etc. Indian patrols were also relatively low risk and temporary incursions and the Indians accepted Chinese patrols into their claimed lands as well during these decades. Therefore the choice to sort of ignore the issue may not have been foolish but just the most practical path for the given resources. India acted similarly because they too had the same set of issues to overcome before this lower priority could have come to the forefront of their political attention. Of course all of this was just delaying the confrontation which served China's interests since China developed much faster than India and so would hold the upper hand whenever the confrontation started. Because of this the CCP was probably all too happy with how the situation behaved in the 20th century.
The truth is revealed to those who understand the full breadth of the comprehensive history of this dispute. It is that China has foolishly* allowed India to continue small but symbolic patrols well within Chinese claimed territory. Of course PLA has also been conducting patrols deep into Indian claimed territory during these decades. Such is the nature of a territorial dispute. Neither side has precedent or any solid reasons that make their claim superior to the other! Therefore the issue is either resolved diplomatically (continues to fail) or with confrontation like it has been since the 1950s. The superior power takes the territory as is the natural path when both claims are equally reasonable (or unreasonable) and when diplomacy fails to find a solution that avoids confrontation.
*China's ignoring of India's patrolling and salami slicing can be sort of explained away because it has been very much focused on more important things from the 1950s until recent years. It hasn't industrialised back then and it had immense social issues, rife with poverty, low education, fewer resources, much poorer etc. Indian patrols were also relatively low risk and temporary incursions and the Indians accepted Chinese patrols into their claimed lands as well during these decades. Therefore the choice to sort of ignore the issue may not have been foolish but just the most practical path for the given resources. India acted similarly because they too had the same set of issues to overcome before this lower priority could have come to the forefront of their political attention. Of course all of this was just delaying the confrontation which served China's interests since China developed much faster than India and so would hold the upper hand whenever the confrontation started. Because of this the CCP was probably all too happy with how the situation behaved in the 20th century.
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Can you post a link for the ones you bought? AliExpress's search function is terrible.
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