Ladakh Flash Point

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berserk

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Oh! Boy....this is the real reason for Chinese pain.
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they want the height to see Indian convoys movement. someone look s**t scared.
 
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Hey Berserk, you can click on Figaro's profile, and view all the posts he has made directly. I actually went to the link with the photos, and it looks legitimate to me. These photos must be from the initial 3 fatalities on the Indian side, including the colonel (it even looks like him). It is still light outside, before the major engagement later that evening.
 
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discspinner said:

oh man, this video explains the strategic and tactical rationale for China's actions so clearly. Unfortunately, it is only in Chinese. Essentially it says the following:
1. the DBSO road is a dead end road from Leh up to Daulet Beg Oldie adjacent to the Depsang Plains, an area where mechanized vehicles and armor can operate, and where Indian has a major garrison.
2. the DBSO road follows the Shyok river up to DBO
3. the only path into the Shyok river valley is the Galwan river valley, and thus a natural place for total entrapment of all Indian forces north of the river, as the Karakoram range and Siachen Glacier block off the northern and western borders
4. in 1962, Chinese forces advanced past the Shyok river, but withdrew 20km, across the Shyok river confluence with the Galwan river.
5. the tacit understanding for a long time has been that the LAC between the two sides included the entirety of the Galwan river valley up to the confluence of the Galwan and Shyok river. Indeed, India had never set up camps or roads across the Shyok river into the Galwan valley
6. until last year, when a bridge was constructed that did exactly that...09:00 - 09:30
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Maybe China vision could do one with English subtitles.
 
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berserk said:
no! I read mostly about my ancestral Sikh and Dogra history ...
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*yawn* ... boring.

I don't even know what "dogra" is... Sounds like one of the many minor vassals of the Mughals.

As for Sikhs, aren't those of the Khalistan separatist movement? The guys who assassinated one of India's PMs? (Thanks for that by the way.)

p.s. What happened to your promise of Indian army escalating in Ladakh?
 
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The US "intelligence" source makes no sense. The true number of Chinese casualties is probably known only to the Chinese soldiers that were present and high level Chinese commanders/officials. The only way for a number like that to leak is either through intercepted communications(of highly secretive information so I doubt Chinese officials are using walkie talkies), hidden monitoring technology, or a mole in the PLA, all of which are technically possible. However, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that if an intelligence agency had any of those capabilities they would 100% keep that top secret. It makes 0 sense to burn an asset just to leak information which does not help the US in any substantive way. This is on top of the leak being given to US news of all sources. Any reputable news site would be tripping over themselves to publish this information if it was a true leak so this really does not pass the smell test.
 
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muddie

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jshw31 said:
The US "intelligence" source makes no sense. The true number of Chinese casualties is probably known only to the Chinese soldiers that were present and high level Chinese commanders/officials. The only way for a number like that to leak is either through intercepted communications(of highly secretive information so I doubt Chinese officials are using walkie talkies), hidden monitoring technology, or a mole in the PLA, all of which are technically possible. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that if an intelligence agency had any of those capabilities they would 100% keep that top secret. It makes 0 sense to burn an asset just to leak information which does not help the US in any substantive way. This is on top of the leak being given to US news of all sources. Any reputable news site would be tripping over themselves to publish this information if it was a true leak so this really does not pass the smell test.
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Currently there are no reliable sources detailing PLA casualties and it should be kept at that unless new, reputable info is released. Discussions around this are pointless especially using Indian news sources as reference or random rumors.
 
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jshw31 said:
The US "intelligence" source makes no sense. The true number of Chinese casualties is probably known only to the Chinese soldiers that were present and high level Chinese commanders/officials. The only way for a number like that to leak is either through intercepted communications(of highly secretive information so I doubt Chinese officials are using walkie talkies), hidden monitoring technology, or a mole in the PLA, all of which are technically possible. However, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that if an intelligence agency had any of those capabilities they would 100% keep that top secret. It makes 0 sense to burn an asset just to leak information which does not help the US in any substantive way. This is on top of the leak being given to US news of all sources. Any reputable news site would be tripping over themselves to publish this information if it was a true leak so this really does not pass the smell test.
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Only USNEWS reported the US intelligence source while the other well known news media like AP News, Reuters, New York Times, Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, etc. did not say any number of deaths on the Chinese side.
 
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