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hullopilllw

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I am a Indian on forum so putting facts across. I am not sure how can one make blank statements like a country of 1.30 billion india is too small a market. MOre so when india topped the list of world wide downloads.

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thats 14 billion off the market value with a single singature...

Huge potential is nothing without the capability to perform. See China vs India economic and industrial capabilities, that is everything you need, the rest are mere delusions.
 

Figaro

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Huge potential is nothing without the capability to perform. See China vs India economic and industrial capabilities, that is everything you need, the rest are mere delusions.
Just look at the sizes of both GDPs : China is 5 to 6 times larger than India. What else is there more to say? People have been saying India has huge potential ever since the 90s and guess what? Absolutely nothing has happened ... if anything the economic outlook for India is the bleakest in modern times. There is really no Indian argument that can offset the fact China has a much bigger GDP than India, a gap that is growing as we speak. Had the Indians spent the last two decades actually focusing on economic development instead of making stupid comparisons with China, perhaps they could have got somewhere. Accordingly, there exists a military and technology gap of similar size between the two countries.
 

Nobino

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Market is measured in $, not in the number of people. You can claim India is a potential market assuming the disposable income of the average Indian can increase substantially. But the reality today is PUBG India is just insignificant. Here is number:

In early 2019, PUBG revenue in India is around 7 Million USD (
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) while the global is more like 150 Million USD. It is less than 5% and it is the sad reality.
Has been problem with half baked indian logic gained from roaming in internet university.

Market is defined buy where

1-- Sellers has goods to sell.
2-- Buyers have capacity to buy

Indians have been trying to sell this 1.3 billion "potential market" since i can remember without knowing the definition of a market.
 

Sardaukar20

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It's jealousy that drives them. Think about it, both CCP China and modern India came about just after world war 2. At that time India was much more well endowed than China was with twice as much railway length for example.

Also much of China was war damaged, from war with Japan and civil war with KMT. In addition, the US was helping the KMT taking all the wealth and assets including gold reserves to Taiwan.

Chinese people were left with nothing and therefore very poor and starving. China was literally on its knees.

India's own superiority complex because it is a 'democracy'. Couple with western support and leeway which allows India to get away with annexing neighbouring states.

So when all these taking into account, Indians ought to be the next superpower that they aspires to be. Alas no, not only they are nowhere near superpower status. They found themselves behind the very people they had look down on all those years ago. So the red mist of envy set in.
Don't forget that the China's journey to prosperity is nowhere near as smooth as India.
China had to go through:
1) Famine and the Cultural Revolution of the Mao era.
2) Proxy wars all around its periphery.
3) Threat of war with both of the Cold War superpowers.
4) Relative international isolation until Deng took power. During the Cultural Revolution period, China could not procure arms and technology from both the West and the Soviets.
5) Constant CIA orchestrated operations in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.
6) Lower racial status than Africans, Indians, and Aborigines in the eyes of the White people.

What are the fortunes and challenges that India went through during that period?
1) Indo-China war: Defeated, but China didn't hold their gains and let's India off.
2) Indo-Pakistan wars: Victories, but cannot be compared to the scale of wars and disasters that China went through.
3) India was one of the earliest post-WW2 navies in Asia to have an aircraft carrier. The INS Viraat.
4) India was the first country in Asia to produce an "indigenous" supersonic fighter: HAL Marut.
5) India had inherited HAL, Ashok Leyland, Mazagon, etc from the British Raj. A great headstart way ahead of China, Japan, and Korea post WW2.
6) India had more far more international standing than Mao-era China.
7) India never really suffered from an embargo of arms or technology. They could always buy arms and technology from both sides of the Cold War at any point.
8) 1991 economic crisis. Really? Compared to the Cultural Revolution?

Since its inception, India went through a relatively privileged "childhood" compared to PRC China. Political support, technology, and, market opportunities were showered over this "golden child" of Asia. China, Japan, and Korea had to work hard, steal technologies, and innovate themselves to build their great economies.

Unlike China (and to some extent, Japan) the West was happily rooting for India to be the next Superpower. Many books and documentaries were published singing praises of India's "vibrant democracy", young demographics, English-speaking population, British legacy, bla, bla, bla...

Today, the "golden boy" of Asia is still way behind the great economies of East Asia. China & India had similar economic size in the 1950s. But today, China's economy is 5 x larger than India's and is still growing. While India suffered a 23.9% economic contraction.

China is the 3rd largest arms exporter in the world and India today, is still the largest arms importer in the world. What is India's arms exports share of the world's arms market? Negligible.

And the Indians are jealous of China? They should be ashamed of themselves! Instead of dreaming to commit another "Nanking Massacre" on China. India must go through a sustained period of deep humiliation. Only that could finally give them the kick up the butt to wake up.
 
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xplosive1980

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Huge potential is nothing without the capability to perform. See China vs India economic and industrial capabilities, that is everything you need, the rest are mere delusions.

well agree.. china have build itself huge industries and i appreciate that..but if all nations starts building manufacturing like china than where is the consumer market... so while china did industrialized itself, the global economies like india / US / europe did contributed to that growth by buying from them....
 

Gatekeeper

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Don't forget that the China's journey to prosperity is nowhere near as smooth as India.
China had to go through:
1) Famine and the Cultural Revolution of the Mao era.
2) Proxy wars all around its periphery.
3) Threat of war with both of the Cold War superpowers.
4) Relative international isolation until Deng took power. During the Cultural Revolution period, China could not procure arms and technology from both the West and the Soviets.
5) Constant CIA orchestrated operations in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.
6) Lower racial status than Africans, Indians, and Aborigines in the eyes of the White people.

What are the fortunes and challenges that India went through during that period?
1) Indo-China war: Defeated, but China didn't hold their gains and let's India off.
2) Indo-Pakistan wars: Victories, but cannot be compared to the scale of wars and disasters that China went through.
3) India was one of the earliest post-WW2 navies in Asia to have an aircraft carrier. The INS Viraat.
4) India was the first country in Asia to produce an "indigenous" supersonic fighter: HAL Marut.
5) India had inherited HAL, Ashok Leyland, Mazagon, etc from the British Raj. A great headstart way ahead of China, Japan, and Korea post WW2.
6) India had more far more international standing than Mao-era China.
7) India never really suffered from an embargo of arms or technology. They could always buy arms and technology from both sides of the Cold War at any point.
8) 1991 economic crisis. Really? Compared to the Cultural Revolution?

Since its inception, India went through a relatively privileged "childhood" compared to PRC China. Political support, technology, and, market opportunities were showered over this "golden child" of Asia. China, Japan, and Korea had to work hard, steal technologies, and innovate themselves to build their great economies.

Unlike China (and to some extent, Japan) the West was happily rooting for India to be the next Superpower. Many books and documentaries were published singing praises of India's "vibrant democracy", young demographics, English-speaking population, British legacy, bla, bla, bla...

Today, the "golden boy" of Asia is still way behind the great economies of East Asia. China & India had similar economic size in the 1950s. But today, China's economy is 5 x larger than India's and is still growing. While India suffered a 23.9% economic contraction.

China is the 3rd largest arms exporter in the world and India today, is still the largest arms importer in the world. What is India's arms exports share of the world's arms market? Negligible.

And the Indians are jealous of China? They should be ashamed of themselves! Instead of dreaming to commit another "Nanking Massacre" on China. India must go through a sustained period of deep humiliation. Only that could finally give them the kick up the butt to wake up.

But surly India did go through a sustained period of deep humiliation! 200 years of colonial rule by a nation that's much smaller than yourself should put anyone to be ashamed.

I think it is much more than that. The fact they had an easy ride from both the West and the Soviets in the cold war. The fact they think they are a true 'democracy'. And therefore worthy. Leads them to laziness.

Also, the famous British bureaucracy that left to them caused them to be bogged down with anything they tries to do. Couple with the lazier faire attitude towards education. Even today their literacy level is no where near China's was back in the 80s.
 

Kunal Biswas

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Found this old graphics of PLAGF incursions from 2009, It mentions of 73 incursions at Pangong tso lake..
 

Figaro

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Anyways Moot point.. latest is that twitter is buzz with rumor of a chinese SU 35 being shot down by Taiwan. hope it is not true.

Just another Indian fake news attempt (and a pretty bad one predictably) ... the aircraft involved in the crash was a J-10 and it occurred near Guilin, Guangxi Province. Just goes to show how desperate they are for the Chinese to divert forces on the disputed territories to face Taiwan. To educated people, their fake news is very silly, but to them it is a sign of desperation.
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Just this week alone so far, there has been three notable counts of Indian fake news.
  1. Indians using pictures of a Chinese cemetery taken in 2019 to prove that 35 Chinese soldiers died at Galwan.
  2. Indians claiming they have penetrated 4 kilometers into the Chinese side of the LAC and having expelled PLA forces.
  3. Indians claiming Taiwan shot down a Chinese Su-35.
 
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